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  • Mga Master I made a list on which is the best bang for the buck Headphones, patulong naman on which is better purchase.

    - AKG Y30 ----------------------- Ok ba to for outdoor use? (2k+)
    - Urbanears Plattan ADV -- Outdoor Use? (2k+)
    - Grado SR80e ----------------- Looks like for home use only (4k+)
    - Senheisser Urbanite XL -- Looks Ok for Outdoor Use (4k+)


    Ok na sa akin kahit On-Ear as long as very comfortable.
  • My reply on previous page.
  • @Gino

    Yes sir.. it seems Urbanite XL will be a good purchase ^^, but I'm still waiting for other feedbacks if someone had auditioned any of those remaining 3 headphones that I posted.

    I wonder what's the difference between an ON-Ear Closed back vs Open Back design?. Does ON-ear Closed-Back offers some Noise Reduction compared to Open Back Design?.
  • Closed has better isolation, sometimes more pronounced bass, more congestion on overall sound. Open back is spacious sounding with slightly less bass but not always. Sound leaks from outside in and people will hear your music amd porn.
  • Does ON-ear Closed-Back offers some Noise Reduction compared to Open Back Design?.


    Some on-ear closed designs do block noise. However, they cause earlobe pain after just 30 minutes of use in my experience.
  • Here's a good test track to test for midrange clarity, vocals, and instrument/frequency separation:

    Kevyn Lettau - I'm Better At Hello



    Her voice should be the main highlight of this track, which also features excellent backup vocals and tom-tom drum reverb in the chorus. Don't let the simplicity of the track fool you; a highly resolving system will allow you to be fully immersed with Lettau's seductive voice perfectly complemented by the jazz band.

    EDIT: I've compared the YouTube vid with my own copy of the track off the "105.1 Crossover Rhythms" album, ripped via EAC (FLAC, 886kbps). The YouTube version has an elevated lower frequency presentation (the bass line is quite aggressive and competing with Lettau's voice for attention) while my FLAC copy is more neutral (Lettau's voice is clearly the star of the track). Nonetheless, this is one enjoyable track that should be part of your test track quiver. :3

    -- edited by jaibautista on May 28 2016, 09:09 PM
  • Even the YouTube version sounds fantastic. Kinilabutan ako sa ganda ng pagkamaster ng track. For me seriously, hi-res is overrated on a good mid-fi desktop setup.
  • "For me seriously, hi-res is overrated on a good mid-fi desktop setup."

    In what sense?

    @Jai

    Youtube almost always add more bass response in their sound.
  • @novicez

    Also tried listening to the Spotify version, high quality, and got the same presentation (bass a bit boosted, soundstage a bit narrow).
  • "For me seriously, hi-res is overrated on a good mid-fi desktop setup."

    In what sense?


    Sorry that my phrase is too vague. Let me rephrase: "For my mid-fi setup, hi res is overrated"

    IMO, depends on your equipment. YouTube and Spotify versions are indistinguishable to me. Actually, I find the bass on Spotify to be just right (it has never distracted me from her amazing voice, but it depends on audio gears for sure) with vocals clearly the focus of the track. That very nice instrument placement and separation is what gave me the chills on my first listen.

    High res sounds worse on my Schiit Bifrost MB since it's a 16-bit Analog Devices AD5547CRUZ DAC. 24 bit audio is actually downsampled to 16 bit once it's fed to the DAC so it's not a bit perfect processing. It also bypasses Schiit's proprietary digital filter so it's not a good source the DAC. Hi res rips sounds slightly flatter to me while the 16 bit sounds natural, but this is subtle. Also, some high res files (some albums on HD Tracks) have a different mastering than their 16 bit version which what sir Jai is probably experiencing. However, hi res sounding worse is only true on Schiit's multibit DACs and not their delta sigma or multibit DACs in general. Custom implementations matter a lot once you go to summit-fi DAC gears hence their stratospheric prices. IMO it's amazing that there are now custom DAC implementations which doesn't use on the shelf chips that are actually accessible to mid-class such as Chord Mojo's FPGA implementation and Schiit's proprietary implementation on their multibit DACs. I'm a proud owner of both Mojo and Schiit DACs since you can easily perceive my bias.
  • @majingotan

    Thanks a lot for the clarification! Now that's perhaps why I am perceiving a difference in sound quality.

    I've been fortunate enough to listen to a very expensive full analog speaker setup (from source to speaker) and I can say that there's quite a difference as to how the same digital and analog track is rendered. With the analog recording, the rendition is more life-like but to the untrained ear it may sound not too different with what you're hearing straight through the IEM/headphone.

    By the way, the FLAC copy of the track I shared was ripped off a normal audio CD, which I believe contains 16-bit music tracks (are there audio CDs that contain 24-bit tracks? If so, can any regular CD player be able to process such 24-bit tracks?). I've read somewhere that even if a CD was re-mastered from a 24-bit source, the audio CD will still contain 16-bit tracks due primarily to the audio processing.

    Thanks again for the clarification bro! :3
  • ^ I did manage to snag a 24/192 original analog master of a certain Jazz album. While the vocals are superb, the tone of the instruments are too warm (treble is highly recessed). It sounds like they're in some sort of room filled with treble dampening material. I feel that how the tracks are mastered in the first place play a critical factor on how a high bit rate file will sound like. I have yet to make an A/B comparison of that similar album though so hopefully I'd be able to obtain a CD version of it.

    I think youtube and spotify adds bass to their tracks to make it more "fun" and more forgiving for poorly encoded music. But that's just a guess on my end.
  • I've been fortunate enough to listen to a very expensive full analog speaker setup (from source to speaker) and I can say that there's quite a difference as to how the same digital and analog track is rendered. With the analog recording, the rendition is more life-like but to the untrained ear it may sound not too different with what you're hearing straight through the IEM/headphone.


    This is 100% true. Headfiers and audiophiles in general call it digititis. That's why competing DACs at near or summit-fi level always feature "vinyl like sound" with incredible detail retrieval, PRAT, and depth presentation, but the prices are so hard to justify if our pockets aren't deep enough. I've been reading about the Chord Hugo TT's rival in terms of cost, the Metrum Pavane R2R (aka multibit) DAC and how listeners consider it as one of the most analog sounding DAC they've heard. The best thing about analog-like sound: you can crack up the volume to 90 100 decibels, then listen to well known bright tracks and be amazed that you never get ear treble fatigue since the edginess/harshness are completely gone!

    IMO, Chord Mojo and Bifrost MB already sound closer to analog presentation than many competing DACs at their price range.

    -- edited by majingotan on May 30 2016, 07:52 AM
  • And the God is nearby. Actually, he's in Pasay already. Baka mamaya or bukas nasa bahay na sya. :3
  • @officeboy20

    Nice!!! Kaya ba makulimlim today dito sa may BGC area? Balita ko may kalat-kalat na pagkidlat ngayong hapon. Hahaha :3

    Congrats in advance! Can't wait to see the pics and hear your first impressions! :D


    @majingotan

    No wonder, when the volume was ramped up in that setup, I never experienced any ear fatigue or treble harshness. Haha :3
  • @ officeboy

    He shall bring a thunderous presence to your house! Can't wait to see your full portable gear setup!

    @ jaibautista

    Kaya talaga maraming polarizing impressions ang mga headfiers sa mga headphones and transparent sounding solid state amps. Just look at HD650 or Asgard reviews. Some say Asgard is clinical sounding with bright/harsh highs or small soundstage while others say they are warm sounding with highs lacking in extension. Ganun din sa HD650 with some people claiming lack of bass while other say too much even on a similar amp. Some even claim that the HD650 is bright while others say they're dark. Noticeable talaga ang impact ng DAC sa overall presentation ng solid state amps and headphones. Kaya may synergy na tinatawag eh hehehe.

    However, I can't say the same thing for a tube amp since they purposely color the sound, making it harder to tell the DAC difference in terms of it's analog sound characteristics.

    -- edited by majingotan on May 30 2016, 11:19 AM
  • My experience with tube gear is they provide larger than life sound. That is not simply in imaging terms. Think BBE effect of the old days. Each sound element is thickened artificially. Giving it heat or a glow across the band. Guitar plucks are mini explosions in space. Room interactions are more emphasized. Singer's lip smack and spit are easily heard. Mighty bloom on bass. It depends on the tube gear of course but tube or analog effect is evident.

    My 2a3 set amp is superior to my APPJ tube amp. Yet the APPJ has that tube effect in some areas. That makes it enjoyable despite sounding thinner than my Asgard or SMSL SAP-5 amps.
  • Bought a couple of CDs at steeply discounted prices last Friday at a mall in Las Pinas (a Universal Records outlet kiosk is located there):




    Two of the four are EDM albums. I am just now discovering the wonders of listening to EDM tracks, being a rhythm listener myself (I don't pay attention to lyrics most of the time hahaha :3). Thankfully, my FlipEars are tuned to perfection for EDM-style tracks; I tried playing some of the tracks in my home HP setup and they just didn't sound right, i.e., I didn't feel like listening to tracks that are usually played in clubs. Not that I frequent clubs; I just happen to pass by several clubs here at BGC when I walk towards parking and the bass reverb is too strong to be felt outside the clubs' premises. :)
  • ^ I'm a fan of Swedish House Mafia try listening to their track calling (lose my mind) ;3

    @all

    still enjoying the wonders of midrange with my K712 tho I'm itching to get an amp or dac already namiss ko na tunog ni mojo sa itlugan lol
  • Jai have your heard the HE-560?
  • @Gino

    Yessir, I have had the opportunity to audition the HE-560. If you're a fan of airy and dry mids, an extended and yet not harsh treble, and a very linear frequency response, then the HE-560 is a great fit to your requirements. To my ears, they sound kinda boring.