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Bakit TRAFFIC lagi? Ano ang problema? Ano ang pwedeng solusyon?

  • Pulot lang..

    Ang pinaka-epektibong paraan ng transportasyon sa buong Metro Manila ay zipline.


    -Dong Abay


    LOL
  • For me iisa lang rootcause ng matitinding traffic sa NCR:
    -Manila is the most densely populated city in the world-

    Ung sheer number of people commuting everyday is causing the massive traffic.
    To correct the issue, other than infrastracture (w/c is obvious), the reasons why people flock to Manila/NCR should be addressed first. Kahit magandang infrastracture, it could only take X number of people, after Y number of years, babalik din yan sa dati kong patuloy ang exodus ng mga tao papuntang Manila/NCR.

    One solution is decentralize the govt, AFP for example should be based where it is needed the most (like Mindanao), Dept of Agriculture should be based on the province which produces agri-products the most. DTI/PEZA should be Cavite or Laguna-based etc. In short pati mga suppliers nila dun na rin magba-based.

    Add more international airports on other major Cities that caters a whole wide range of international flights. Foreign direct investors could travel directly to the city/province where he had business to attend to.

    Federalism - this will empower the Federal State or Province to adopt trade/ecomonic laws that will be relevant to their province's product or services.

    Make at least 3-4 nuclear power plant in the provinces - the main reason why factories, plants, investments etc is not located in the provinces is because of very little capacity of power plants to generate massive demand in supply (i.e Mindanao & other provinces is on rotating brown-out). Tapos ang mahal ng cost of power generation. Nuclear power plants will make energy stable and very affordable for consumers and investors (given mura na nga provincial rate for labor), Im sure marami magiinvest sa mga province if this is realized.

    Instead of people flocking to NCR/Manila, they're more like to stay on their native province if decent jobs are available.

    Edit:
    National broadband realization: maglatag ng submarine fibre cables connecting the provinces' broadband needs. There was a study I've read in the IMF/World bank or think-tank org, it says that economic progress is directly proportional to the broadband speed of a certain nation/territory. In this age of connectivity, malaki factor ng internet in doing profitable business environment.

    -- edited by carlorules on Oct 18 2017, 01:43 PM
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    (In the name of the..... and of the....... and Holy spirit.......)

    AMMEEEEEEENNN!!!
  • c5 kalayaan ngayon imba ang traffic!
  • kaya nga dapat pag-usapan na yang issue sa federalism to decongest manila. yun nga lang madaming asungot sa gobyerno.
  • Federalism - this will empower the Federal State or Province to adopt trade/ecomonic laws that will be relevant to their province's product or services.


    Sa tingin ko di bagay ito dito sa Pinas, tingnan na lang natin asal ng mga congressman ngayon, puro pangsarili lang batas na naiisip, pag naging Federal malamang puro yung pabor sa pamilya nila aatupagin ng mga to, mas magiging mahirap alisin ang political dynasty. Hindi kasi sa bansa ang loyalty ng mga Pinoy kundi nasa clan, tribe o organization na kinabibilangan.

    Isa pa rin sa main solution ang mas transpo like trains. Example na lang ang Bangkok, sobrang traffic din sa kanila like Manila pero napaka efficient ng rail system sa madaling salita may choice ka, di tulad dito puro inconvenient mga choices..hehe
  • Agree, may point ka regarding the congressman having ulterior motives, but it should not be the show stopper for a nation to move forward. More than 100 years na tayo na ang central power is controlled by the one single entity - NCR. Federalism will empower the local (federal) govt.

    Mas alam kasi ng local leader ano pangangailangan ng province nya, kong anong mga batas naaayon para sa locality. Take for instance Gen. Santos City (Sea food economy), the local leaders knew more than the central govt about declining fish stocks and its impact to the local economy so pwede sila gumawa ng batas to conserve their fish stocks and having to balance the impact to the livelihood of their fisher folks.

    Another example is the ARMM, Islam unlike most religions, is not only a Religion but a way of life.If they become a federal state, they could introduce some aspects of the Islamic/Sharia law. Ung batas kc ng 'Pinas caters mostly to "Christianic" laws. They always felt that they were alienated, this way they could feel their voices/sentiments are heard since they could now live under Islamic laws and their ways are protected by the govt.

    Regarding your example Bangkok, you just said matindi pa rin traffic (even maganda ang railways), so it doesnt solve the problem, more like band-aid solution pa rin. It just cemented my view that even good infrastracture could only cater X number of people, and after Y number of years balik uli sa dati. The reasons why people flock to the Capital city should be addressed primarily...
  • Same opportunity (Work+Salary) in their respected provinces and people will not need to travel to Metro Manila. Yan lang talaga. Kung paano sisimulang gawin ang "problema".
  • Isa pa rin sa main solution ang mas transpo like trains. Example na lang ang Bangkok, sobrang traffic din sa kanila like Manila pero napaka efficient ng rail system sa madaling salita may choice ka, di tulad dito puro inconvenient mga choices..hehe


    I also believe that the railroad system must be improved.
    kaso, can we trust national security and safety if the national railroad system is implemented?

    problema niya baka manggulo na naman ang mga NPA at mga rebelde sa bandang south at papuntang visayas..

    laking ginhawa ito kung implemented nationwide yan kasama ng roro..
  • I think one way to ease the traffic is to return the double-deck buses (Manila bus ba yung dati).
  • ...at yung Love bus ;-)
  • also believe that the railroad system must be improved.
    kaso, can we trust national security and safety if the national railroad system is implemented?

    problema niya baka manggulo na naman ang mga NPA at mga rebelde sa bandang south at papuntang visayas..

    if these people really think of progress dapat itigil na nila tong mga ginagawa nilang pambobomba eh. the government is exerting all effort para lang mapabuti ang bansa natin tapos may mga taong sadyang nanggugulo and nagkiclaim pa na sila ang makabayan.
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    Yup yun ang downside ng federalism. baka pang sarili lang ang isipin ng mga congressman.

    Dont know if its possible pero malaki na din ang population ng Antipolo,Rizal,Cavite and Bulacan.
    Kung gawin na city rate and dun maglagay ng mga Business center mas maganda.
    Madami ako naging kawork sa makati na puro taga bulacan dahil wala mahanap na magandang trabaho dun
  • just imagine if each former presidents were able to build at least one infra project/train system, di na sana masyado problema ang trapik..

    amazed ako sa japan dahil yung government nila talagang focused sa pag improved ng mass transportation system.. noticed na mas malapad pa yung mga kalsada (or same width)natin compared sa kanila but almost light lang ang flow ng traffic dahil yung iba naglalakad lang or nag ba-bike..
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    tama sir. maganda talaga kung may safe na bike lane.
    pero hindi ba too late na para magtayo ng infra or other transpo system. imagine halos 5yrs gawin yun so 5yrs traffic din :)
  • ^^ better late than never.. adjustments and sacrifice talaga.. kundi man magawa sa NCR pwede naman mag build ng infra sa nearby provinces.. may mga projects din naman dito sa NCR na kahit papano kaya matiis ng public for the betterment and improvement just like yung LRT sa antipolo ..
  • ...at yung Love bus ;-)

    wala eh napalitan ng FakeTaxi. wahahaha

    nagmomotor ako on my daily commute (38kms round trip). dati kaya ko ng 50minutes from bahay to work, ngayon may times na 1hr ang travel time ko. umiiwas ako sa route na madaming jeep at mga highway (quezon ave, espana). tamang filter lang din. mukhang dumami talaga sasakyan sa pag boom ng TVNS industry this year.

    isa pang nakadagdag traffic sa route ko yung new school sa congressional avenue (JASMS ata). yung mga nagda-drop off ng students biglang magswerve ng 3 lanes para maka U-turn (nasa intersection yung school).
  • Flying cars / vehicles are the future.

    It might be crazy and funny and kind of far fetch for now but it is not impossible.

    I bet a hundred more years before the flying vehicles
  • If only we can do this as well...

    Singapore Will Stop Adding New Cars to Its Roads in 2018
    <click here for link>

    -- edited by Fargin on Oct 24 2017, 09:04 PM
  • ^Sa Singapore ba merong naka tira sa Malaysia then sa SG siya napasok everyday? To compare parang taga Bulacan/Cavite siya then sa Makati nag wowork.

    0.01% Chance this will happen but.

    For the "SG no new cars on its roads" version for PH-NCR edition Mainly EDSA-Manila.

    1. Very effective and efficient Train + Bus|Mini Bus (no more jeep).
    1.1 Bus route are determined so less stop and go.
    2. Beyond the end of North Luzon and South Luzon Express Way private vehicle cannot enter anymore. So Dulo ng EDSA.
    3. Everyone will board either Train or Bus depending on their route.
    4. Secured and organized parking lot at the end of North-South express way with good pathway towards the Train/Bus Station.

    Then NCR will have a clean road with disciplined buses and mini buses.

    How about the NCR Residence with Cars? They can still use it but with the super effective hyper realistic bus system might as well use it.

    I can only think of the Top Executives with busy schedule riding their "armored" car, are the one that in need of using their car.

    Lot's of "But's" "what if" scenario for those who can enter NCR with their car but since this is abit impossible to implement, I wont think hard about that for the time being.

    -- edited by krpk on Oct 24 2017, 11:57 PM
  • ^Sa Singapore ba merong naka tira sa Malaysia then sa SG siya napasok everyday? To compare parang taga Bulacan/Cavite siya then sa Makati nag wowork.


    opo, ganyan dito sa Singapore.. mga taga Johor Bahru people..
    uuwi ng gabing-gabi from Singapore to Malaysia tas papasok ng maaga from Malaysia to Singapore..
    puro nakamotor yan, yung iba naka shuttle bus or previously dun sa train..

    dapat ganun sa Metro Manila... may bus points or terminals outside manila, then maliliit lang na jeep or mrt diretso...
  • siguro its high time na meron ding congestion charge sa MM for private vehicles IF AND ONLY IF meron ng efficient mass transport system sa MM :(
  • Punuin ng linya ng tren ang metro manila pati ang mga kalapit bayan nito, ewan ko lang kung may magdala pa ng sasakyan. Lagyan ng line sa kahabaan ng roxas boulevard papuntang las pinas alabang cavite. yung pnr, gawing kasing ganda ng lrt2, yung line, mula laguna hanggang pampangga. c5, lagyan din ng linya ng tren. yung kahabaan ng ayala lagyan din. isama mo na yung papuntang rizal.

    Then tanggalin na or I-limit na lang ung shipment sa pier ng maynila para konti na lang papasok na mga trucks sa maynila. yung shipment sa north Luzon lahat sa subic na. yung sa south, sa batanggas and quezon.

    yung mga road constructions dapat isang hukayan lang. kung may project sa isang lugar yung dpwh dapat coordinated with manila water, mwss, pldt, city hall, mmda and other concerned agencies. once matapos yung project, bawal nang hukayin within 5 years.

    phase out ng mga sasakyan 20 yrs pataas.
  • Feasible kaya toh? Laking tulong rin siguro kung may gantong expressway na existing ngayun.

    <click here for link>

    -- edited by tknupualb on Nov 01 2017, 04:23 PM
  • kulang sa disiplina.

    may kotse walang parking.

    road widening sino nakinabang? eh di yung mga walang parking.

    lahat ng klaseng mode of transportation pwede. kuliglig, pedicab, etc. magulo.

    mga bus na pumuputok ng maitim na usok na parang pusit sa lansangan.

    so para saan pa ang emission testing? pera pera lang ba? o nakakalingap para gamitin saan?

    mga kalsada patche patche lang eh kasi yun contractor wala ng kikitain nga naman diba.

    okay mag bike, ang tanong malinis ba ang hangin na malalanghap mo.

    pag ihi kahit saan, pagdura, pagtapon ng basura kahit saan.

    kapag nasa pilipinas ka, magagawa mo lahat ng gusto mong gawin.

    marami tayong batas pero kulang sa implementation.

    kawawa ang mga susunod na generation.

    hindi pwedeng pagbigyan lahat.

    baka kulang ang 50 years para maiayos ang mass transportation.

    pwede ba sa mga pilipino na every 5 years dapat palit ng kotse. para sa kalikasan. baka napaka raming magalit.

    ine embrace ba ng pilipinas ang pag gamit ng hybrid? excise tax issue? monopoly.
  • Isa lang solusyon jan. Kung ang kotse may coding. Ang tao din meron dapat kaya 4 na araw lang ang trabaho kada linggo with pay

    Haha
  • Ito lang rootcause ng matinding trapik sa NCR, lahat ng Cities sa NCR nasa top 40 most densely populated cities in world rankings.. Sobrang daming tao ang rootcause, and these people need to travel/commute kaya matindi tlaga trapik. Isang nagpa-lala itong mga cities na ito ay magkalapit lang sa isa't-isa.

    I will always maintain my opinion na the provincial economies needed to be bolstered to encourage people to return to their provinces since decent jobs will be available.

    40 Most Densely-Populated Cities in the World

    1.Manila

    2.Pateros (Municipality)

    3.Mumbai

    4.Dhaka

    5.Caloocan

    6.Bnei Brak

    7.Levallois-Perret

    8.Le Pré-Saint-Gervais

    9.Chennai

    10.Vincennes

    11.Saint-Mandé

    12.Bally

    13.Kolkata

    14.Saint-Josse-ten-Noode

    15.Neapoli

    16.Montrouge

    17.Malé

    18.Malabon

    19.Guttenberg, New Jersey

    20.Pasig

    21.Paris

    22.Mislata

    23.Macau

    24.Kallithea

    25.Nea Smyrni

    26.Howrah

    27.Pasay

    28.San Juan

    29.Colombo

    30.'Hospitalet de Llobregat

    31.Union City, New Jersey

    32.Makati

    33.West New York, New Jersey

    35.Saint-Gilles

    36.Bandung

    37.Monaco

    38.Boulogne-Billancourt

    39.Cairo

    40.Quezon City

    -- edited by carlorules on Nov 07 2017, 10:04 AM
  • @Carlo...yup... I agree with you a 100% pero sa ngayon band aid solution eh shifting dapat ang pasok ng work at skwela... 7AM lahat ng skwela at wala na dapat ipapasok na sasakyan sa mga school zones ipa lakad na lang ga studyante (maexercise pa sila)... pasok ng nag oopisina eh 9:00 AM para hindi conflict. Yung malls at 6:00 AM, 2:00 AM at syempre yung mga companies eh iba rin sched basta hindi tumapat.