2020 sales (PHI)
Toyota 100,019
Mitsubishi 37,366
Nissan 21,751
Hyundai 16,651
Ford 14,775
Honda 11,711
Isuzu 11,240
Isa sa mga bestsellers ng toyota ay yung wigo where the bulk of the buyers ay ang youth. Toyota also markets it for the youth local market so hindi talaga applicable dito yung observation mo. Baka sa US yan.
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starter pack kasi yang mga wigo, vios at mirage kaya nasa top sila. lalo ngayon pandemic dami gusto mag kotse.
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hehe true. starter pack ko mirage hb.
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If toyota and mitsu continue to dominate the starter packs then all the more no basis for saying that they have ageing markets.
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practical for city driving yung tatlo which has smaller engines. hindi ko alam bakit yung brio is not with those 3.
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Toyota also markets it for the youth local market so hindi talaga applicable dito yung observation mo.
Lol no. Did you even see the Lexus infotainment system and compare it to their respective models to their "competitions". Way out of class. Well, at least there's the "reliability" kuno. Pero the numbers add up considering their simple, basic, bland style way that fit the boomers. In my opinion ha, only the Fortuner and Land Cruiser stood out on Toyota, all of their models. Meh. Where did Camry and Altis go? Yup, they died. The numbers are high kasi karamihan ng sales diyan ay for business purposes. I'm talking long term here ha. Right now of course, Toyota remains dominant pa rin. Kaya kapag conservative pa rin sila in the future. I doubt they'll last long in the car industry. Lalo na ngayon nag-sshift na tayo sa "electric" cars. Expect the change to happen 2030+
Isa sa mga bestsellers ng toyota ay yung wigo where the bulk of the buyers ay ang youth
False.
Naging mas popular ang segment nila (starter pack) dahil ang pinakanapahamak na car segment nung inimplement ang excise tax noong 2018 ay yung nasa (900,000-1,100,000) price range. So halos controlado nina Toyota, Mitsu, at Honda ang 500k-900k segment.
ex.
2018 Wigo G - 580k | 2021 Wigo G 620k
2018 Vios E - 830k | 2021 Vios E - 850k
2018 City - 820k | 2021 City - 850k
2018 Mazda 2 - 900k | 2021 Mazda 2 - 1m
2018 Mazda 3 - 1m | 2021 Mazda 3 - 1.3m
Add it to the ridiciolous gas price na nakakapagtaka dahil mas tumataas nga ang supply ng oil worldwide pero bat tumataas ang oil price satin. (enlighten me if someone knows why). Back in 2018 nasa 33php~ pa ang 95 gas pero ngayon nasa 60php~+ na. Crazyyy
starter pack kasi yang mga wigo, vios at mirage kaya nasa top sila. lalo ngayon pandemic dami gusto mag kotse.
Our transportation system + confusing travelling restriction suck so much that owning a car became a "necessity" instead of a "want".
People buy Vios, Mirage, Wigo, Brio, Accent, etc. because of the budget constraints. Ask them if that's really the car they want. 9/10 will probably say no. -
People buy Vios, Mirage, Wigo, Brio, Accent, etc. because of the budget constraints. Ask them if that's really the car they want. 9/10 will probably say no.
That is why toyota and mitsu are dominating the youth market because they know what the youth can afford so they tailor cars for those budgets. -
Add it to the ridiciolous gas price na nakakapagtaka dahil mas tumataas nga ang supply ng oil worldwide pero bat tumataas ang oil price satin. (enlighten me if someone knows why). Back in 2018 nasa 33php~ pa ang 95 gas pero ngayon nasa 60php~+ na. Crazyyy
Hindi lang Pinas ang nakakaexperience ng mataas na oil price ngayon. Bumabawi ang oil companies from this pandemic.
Camrys and Corollas are still there, they did not die. People choose which car they need. Its still buyer's choice. If people are opting for starter pack, then why is Honda seating in the low position. Clearly they have their own choice of market. -
Right now of course, Toyota remains dominant pa rin. Kaya kapag conservative pa rin sila in the future. I doubt they'll last long in the car industry. Lalo na ngayon nag-sshift na tayo sa "electric" cars. Expect the change to happen 2030+
Toyota is on the top 1-2 biggest car maker in the world. They are in the business for 84yrs so you can safely say that they lasted very long. -
Malakas din satin yung fleet cars for business and employee car loan and car plan na mostly from toyota kaya humahatak din ito sa sales nila. Toyota ph gives bigger discounts compared sa others.
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If you are financially knowledgeable, lagi ka man cocompute ng depreciation expense monthly, di hamak na mas valueable yung japanese cars vs chinese cars. Tayong mga pilipino mostly satin practical mag isip. “Ang daming features, mas madami masisira”(practical) , “ay bumili ng brandnew, kaso china car”(pride) ,kaya hindi patok ang chinese cars satin dahil sa ganyan mindset ng karamihan.
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Hindi lang Pinas ang nakakaexperience ng mataas na oil price ngayon. Bumabawi ang oil companies from this pandemic.
Ah. I've done some slight research. It seems that the main reason is the global energy crunch. But the effect is only for the short term. Another factor that might increase the oil price in the future is how the major powers will combat climate change.
That is why toyota and mitsu are dominating the youth market because they know what the youth can afford so they tailor cars for those budgets.
I beg to differ. I rarely see the youth market buying up Wigo kasi yun lang ang afford nila. Usually ang nakikita ko na may Wigo ay pamilyadong tao na.
Toyota is on the top 1-2 biggest car maker in the world. They are in the business for 84yrs so you can safely say that they lasted very long.
You have a point. But technology in this century is moving too fast compared to the last century. Nokia is at the top of their game in the past few decades. Where are they now? Well... Competition namin sila sa networking hardware pero they weren't relevant na compared dati. Lalo na't electric cars are the future, and Toyota are known for their reliability based on "mastering" old technology. But how can they handle the changing trend? Diesel cars are dying out, cars that are running on gas are next. Again, "climate change".
Tayong mga pilipino mostly satin practical mag isip. “Ang daming features, mas madami masisira”(practical) , “ay bumili ng brandnew, kaso china car”(pride) ,kaya hindi patok ang chinese cars satin dahil sa ganyan mindset ng karamihan
Hmm. What's your take about Korean manufacturers? If you look at the archive forums of tsikot you'll see na ganyan din ang mindset nila about korean cars.
But yeah, iba-iba naman tayo ng opinion sa ganyan. Ang kotse, sila dapat ang nagsisilbe sayo, pero sa iba naman mas gusto nila pagsilbehan ang kotse nila. -
Lalo na't electric cars are the future, and Toyota are known for their reliability based on "mastering" old technology. But how can they handle the changing trend? Diesel cars are dying out, cars that are running on gas are next. Again, "climate change".
Toyota already has their plans for future.
Hybrid
Fuel Cell
Electric
They have covered most of it and this coming decade is the transition period. Hybrid and Fuel Cell will be their bet for that while continuing to develop EVs
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Toyota already has their plans for future.
Prius was a flop.
Yup. Looking forward to their future plans (and other major car manufacturers) kung paano nila lalabanan si Tesla. They're completely dominating the western EV market.
Also, problema rin kasi ng EV market ngayon ay mayroong bottleneck sa battery technology eh. -
Toyota ph gives bigger discounts compared sa others.
sa corporate lang siguro to papi.
From my limited exp, mas malakas magbigay ng discount si mitsubishi. 70k bigay na discount samin nun sa G4 2015 ko, yung kapitbahay namin, bumili ng Xpander, 90k yung discount for their GLS 2021. Whereas si toyota, 30k yung discount na binigay dun sa isa naming kapitbahay na naka rush.
Nung nagtanung din ako for Avanza and Innova, parang 15-20k discount lang bigay nila sakin via bank PO. Honda din parang around that same price range.
Corporate wise, pansin ko nga toyota talaga. Baka nga malaki discount sa corp. Sa mga ka batch ko na may pakotse, puro sila toyota. Lalo sa mga pharmaceutical companies, pa-service car nila laging vios. Though nagho-honda sila for the Managers and GMs.
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Toyota has an ageing market tapos ngayon prius is a flop naman? Saan mo nakukuha data mo? Care to cite some sources? -
Sabi mo din patay na ang camry at corolla altis? Those 2 are among the recent top selling cars in the world. Saan ka nakakakuha ng info mo?
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Sa tingin ko, sa Philippine market, rather than buying Camry or Altis, ang kinukuha is Innova or Fortuner.
Usually yun mga meron Camry (especially) satin ay yun mga mayayaman haha.
Sa starter segment, kung bakit wala ang Brio sa top sales, siguro dahil ang thinking is pag Honda is expensive including maintenance. Ito yung usual na naririnig ko sa mga tao lang. Pero sa panahon ngayon, this is only partially true, dahil madami ng options for maintenance/parts sa Honda ngayon.
Pero Brio is a good option, ang ganda rin pormahan. Kung porma lang usapan, walang panama yung Wigo and Mirage dito. -
Prius was a flop.
If Prius flopped, then why its been followed by Hyundai and other brands on this market. The model I know that flopped is the Honda Civic Hybrid which Honda did not followed through and Toyota pushed that Hybrid market on its 3rd generation model and expanded it on the other models like CH-R, Corolla, Sienta. -
Toyota has an ageing market tapos ngayon prius is a flop naman? Saan mo nakukuha data mo? Care to cite some sources?
Prius was released in the 90s. Have you seen more than 2 Prius on the road at the same time?
Also, hybrid is not EV! Toyota lost the EV market and their Hydrogen fuel cell is going nowhere.
Kaya ngayon cinaclaim nila <click here for link>
If Prius flopped, then why its been followed by Hyundai and other brands on this market.
Cos they can't compete directly on the EV market. Hyundai Ioniq was discontinued if that's what you are talking about.
Sabi mo din patay na ang camry at corolla altis? Those 2 are among the recent top selling cars in the world. Saan ka nakakakuha ng info mo?
PH market pinag-uusapan natin dito hindi ba? :D
+Edit: Instead of Altis/Camry, Filipinos are buying Fortuner/LC.. That's what happening right now. Pero ang pinaguusapan dito is the future. What comes next? Nasa transition na tayo to electric cars. Diesel cars sales are getting banned in the ff decades. Hybrids comes next. Look at China, they are having energy crisis right now on-purpose kasi nag re-reduce sila ng coal reliance whilst shifting to renewable energy. Rules are getting stricter and stricter. Damay ang automotive sector dito.
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^ camry in the philippines was not positioned for the mass market. Pang executive. And it is not dead. It has its own niche. If you understand marketing. Corolla/Altis used to be entry level until vios and wigo took its place. Again, not dead, just repositioned.
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Prius was released in the 90s. Have you seen more than 2 Prius on the road at the same time
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Nasaang lupalop ka ba at ang pinagbabasehan mo ng vehicle sales ay yung nakikita mo sa kalye? Why not google vehicle sales instead para mas maging valid conclusions mo? -
Pero Brio is a good option, ang ganda rin pormahan. Kung porma lang usapan, walang panama yung Wigo and Mirage dito.
True. I think the porma factor plus the engine displacement should compete with Wigo and Mirage or even Picanto. Market wise, mukhang dito nahihirapan ang Honda bumawi sa entry level segment. I'm also thinking of the same, I'd go for Brio than Mirage for hatchbacks or Wigo on its engine displacement. Yung easy to maintain factor talaga naglalaban. -
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Kung papalarin ako, bibili ako niyan Brio as toy car haha. Gagawin kong pocket rocket. -
Prius was released in the 90s. Have you seen more than 2 Prius on the road at the same time?
which road are you referring to? PH road? other countries road? PH road yes because there is less campaign when it comes to Hybrid before. also, Prius is expensive (Japan Made) for Filipinos. Prius was released in 90s without hybrid technology.
Cos they can't compete directly on the EV market. Hyundai Ioniq was discontinued if that's what you are talking about.
Nope! Hyundai Ioniq is still in the market.
Also, hybrid is not EV!
We KNOW that
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Okay Mr.google
^ camry in the philippines was not positioned for the mass market.
Vios – 33,181
Toyota Altis 2019 sales: 1,261
Toyota Camry 2019 sales: 688
Nasaang lupalop ka ba at ang pinagbabasehan mo ng vehicle sales ay yung nakikita mo sa kalye? Why not google vehicle sales instead para mas maging valid conclusions mo?
Toyota Prius/Prius-C sold in
2019: 0
Toyota didn't disclose their 2020 breakdown per model. But I'm pretty sure the numbers are lower due to covid19
Actually umm. Wala kang kwenta kausap haha. Puro ka lang kontra instead of having a good discussion about the future market car trends. Youth ka ba? Better yet, may sariling kotse ka ba? hehe
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Nope! Hyundai Ioniq is still in the market.
Hyundai Ioniq EV is dead. They remained Hybrid Ioniq, which is not the same Ioniq EV.
motorsport called F1 that uses Hybrid engines as well as Le Mans
Yes, but they have a seperate market duon. That's why they have a Formula E segment. Although I don't watch it.
Since we're in F1. #maxverstappen will win this season :P
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Relax guys.
I agree Prius is a flop here in the Philippines dahil sa lackluster sales.
Pero abroad, iba siguro.
Overall, sa nakikita ko, kung wala Prius, baka hindi rin nag-try ang ibang manufacturer for Hybrid/EV. So kumbaga, naging trendsetter. -
^ prius sa pilipinas hindi naman talaga pinush dahil wala naman programa gobyerno natin para sa hybrid. Sa ibang bansa malalaki incentives kaya mabenta ang prius. I thought he was saying prius was a flop in general but to call it a flop in the philippines is misleading. Dami kasing sweeping statements like this and that are dead, etc. without checking facts and instead resorting to name calling (mr google).