Duda din ako sa home buddies post na yan.. kulang ng data yung nag post, yun din nasa isip ko, di hamak naman na mas tipid pa rin kapag naka patay yung aircon kahit inverter pa yan..
Anyway share ko lang yung bago kong LG dual inverter na 1hp 09isw. Nakakatuwa lang yung wifi feature nya na pwede ko ion and ioff yung aircon kahit nasaang lugar ako. Sana lang tumagal to, yung wifi feature lang talaga reason bat ito napili ko. Ok din energy logging feature nya, nakikita ko na 0.2kWH lang nacoconsume ko pag gabi. Sa hapon naman 0.6kWh na pinaka mataas.
Not bad na rin nakuwa ko sya 29.5k lang, free installation. Sa Mall kahit cash 35k price nya.
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DC Inverter Aircon Thread (Aircon roundup and FAQ on page 1)
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@pastebooko
same here. very useful yung app, other than namomonitor mo historical and real time energy consumption, you can control the AC settings (on/off, fan speed, temp, air flow etc). I'm doing tests on which time of the day best buksan yung ST AC sa sala. Kapag bandang 12pm binuksan , naka todo halos yung kW/h for 30-45 mins then tsaka pa lang gradually baba. I tried turning the AC on at 8am just now, in 15 mins baba agad sa 340 watts real-time consumption. I'm trying to see kung mas efficient yung ganitong time of day.
My usual routine is turning it on around 12pm -8pm which gets around 4- 4.5kW/h . I stay between 26-28 temp settings. Baka same lang kung 8am-8pm ko sya i-operate. -
My usual routine is turning it on around 12pm -8pm which gets around 4- 4.5kW/h . I stay between 26-28 temp settings. Baka same lang kung 8am-8pm ko sya i-operate.
you're on the sweet spot with your temp settings.
would it be the same kung 8am~8pm mo sya paandarin? of course not, parang yung nag claim lang iyan na mas matipid daw kung 27/7 paandarin ang AC :)
but if you want to try, sige paps,,,, experiment tayo. then report back here :) -
My usual routine is turning it on around 12pm -8pm which gets around 4- 4.5kW/h . I stay between 26-28 temp settings. Baka same lang kung 8am-8pm ko sya i-operate.
you're on the sweet spot with your temp settings.
would it be the same kung 8am~8pm mo sya paandarin? of course not, parang yung nag claim lang iyan na mas matipid daw kung 27/7 paandarin ang AC :)
but if you want to try, sige paps,,,, experiment tayo. then report back here :)
yung rationale ko with this is kapag 12pm ko binuksan yung AC, peak ng kainitan so hinahabol ng AC yung temp that I set. For about 45 min to an hour halos nakatodo yung power consumption. Whereas kapag 8am, relatively colder so hindi sasagad yung AC power. Kung magkaron man ng pagtaas sa energy consumption in a day, I am ok with a .5-1 kW/h increase and nagamit ko naman ng additional 4 hours (8am vs 12pm). So far at 2:14PM nasa 3kW/h yung cumulative usage today.
Ibang usapan naman yung 24/7 na nagooperate tapos walang tao in some hours, pag aaksaya na yun ng kuryente :)
On another topic, dun sa AC WT sa isang room namin, tama ba yung idea ko na mas ok na iwanan na lang yung AC na nakabukas for 30mins to 1 hour. Kesa on and off dahil mas lalakas energy consumption kasi hahabulin nanaman yung temperature kapag bagong bukas ulit. Let's say in a day, 12 hours operational yung ac and about 3-4 times possible on and off yung AC to eat downstairs etc. -
yung rationale ko with this is kapag 12pm ko binuksan yung AC, peak ng kainitan so hinahabol ng AC yung temp that I set. For about 45 min to an hour halos nakatodo yung power consumption. Whereas kapag 8am, relatively colder so hindi sasagad yung AC power. Kung magkaron man ng pagtaas sa energy consumption in a day, I am ok with a .5-1 kW/h increase and nagamit ko naman ng additional 4 hours (8am vs 12pm). So far at 2:14PM nasa 3kW/h yung cumulative usage today.
ah ok, i got you :)
On another topic, dun sa AC WT sa isang room namin, tama ba yung idea ko na mas ok na iwanan na lang yung AC na nakabukas for 30mins to 1 hour. Kesa on and off dahil mas lalakas energy consumption kasi hahabulin nanaman yung temperature kapag bagong bukas ulit. Let's say in a day, 12 hours operational yung ac and about 3-4 times possible on and off yung AC to eat downstairs etc.
yeap, better to leave it ON kung 1 hour lang naman walang tao sa room.
ako nga hindi ko pa ginagamit yung SENSOR mode ng daikin ko pag lumalabas ako ng room let's say 30~1hr din.
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Hi! New member here. I would like some tips with our brand new A/C. 1.5HP Carrier Xpower Gold 3.
We open it around 10am-4pm pra di mainit while working sa room at around 21-22° and medium fan level. Then around 9pm open na namin sya until 5:30am pra happy matulog(temp around 19° frst 2 hrs, then turn up temp to around 21° with level 4 out of 5 fan). Will it be better to open the AC nlang ng 9pm then straight usage sya until around 4pm (So 19 hours straight usage),kysa twice sya iopen in a day? Mas tipid ba sa electricity if straight nlang?
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^im just wondering why are you setting your temp that low? lalakas kayo sa konsumo nyan. with your given temp settings, ano ang reading sa room thermometer nyo?
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Room size is less than 20sqm. 1 desktop pc, 1 laptop,. Meron din kaming sliding door same side ng aircon.
Ung unit namin prang ndi sya gnun kalamig, Carrier Xpower Gold 3. Don't really have a room thermometer for now. Napansin ko nga na di ganun kalamig ung buga ng unit namin unlike sa gmit namin before na window type non inverter AC. -
but if you want to try, sige paps,,,, experiment tayo. then report back here :)
Curious with this. Maybe test total power consumption from 8am to 1pm vs 12pm to 1pm @ same set temp. Though im somewhat sure na mas mababa consumption ng 12 to 1pm pero interested to know by how much. Di ko lang magawa since wala ako pang measure. -
Room size is less than 20sqm. 1 desktop pc, 1 laptop,. Meron din kaming sliding door same side ng aircon.
just noticed aside from your temp setting, halos full blast pa ang fan speed nyo. hindi kayo comfortable let's say @ 24~25°C?
what's behind the sliding door? kasama ba sya sa -20m² space?
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@Statix
24-25° prang di nakaaircon. Mahina sya prang room temp lang during not-so-hot days sa Pinas. Ung terrace sa connected where the sliding window is located di yata ksma sa 20sqm room size may shade naman sya ng konti then grills ung pinaka outer kisame nung terrace.
Roof and ceiling not sure if insulated. Di na din maremember ni hubby since mote than 10yrs na tong house. -
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@Statix
24-25° prang di nakaaircon. Mahina sya prang room temp lang during not-so-hot days sa Pinas. Ung terrace sa connected where the sliding window is located di yata ksma sa 20sqm room size may shade naman sya ng konti then grills ung pinaka outer kisame nung terrace..
it could be hindi nyo lang siguro "hiyang" ang 24~25°C temp setting. kanya-kanya rin kasi tayo ng preferences sa climate, but surely malakas yan sa konsumo. gumamit ka ng room thermometer para meron kang reference. para makita mo kung ano ang magiging ambient temp relative sa target temp setting mo.
Roof and ceiling not sure if insulated
i'm assuming bungalow yan, or nasa 2nd floor yan room,,,purbahan mong hawakan yung ceiling at high noon. sobrang init ba?
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@Statix
We tried 24-25° before during night time, pero mainit, pinagpapawisan kami. Ung fan need naka level 5 (highest) if gnun temp.
Nsa 3rd floor kami ng house if that matters as well. Try ko touch ceiling tomorrow to know if umiinit ba ng sobra.
Yes. For 16 days of usage ng aircon twice a day gngmit, umabot ng 1k ung additional sa electric bill namin. So I posted here to know if mas okay ba ung straight usage lang ng aircon for 19 hrs. Or twice a day turn on with total usage of 14 hours only.
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We tried 24-25° before during night time, pero mainit, pinagpapawisan kami. Ung fan need naka level 5 (highest) if gnun temp.
there might be something wrong.
Nsa 3rd floor kami ng house if that matters as well. Try ko touch ceiling tomorrow to know if umiinit ba ng sobra.
roof na ang nasa itaas nyo? if yes, pwede mo pa rin i-test by touching the ceiling now, mainit pa rin yan kahit gabi na kung walang insulation. 1K for 16 days is malakas imo.
So I posted here to know if mas okay ba ung straight usage lang ng aircon for 19 hrs. Or twice a day turn on with total usage of 14 hours only.
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^Either the AC is undersized vis-a-vis room size plus heat sources to sufficiently cool the room or defective kaya hilaw yang lamig (when temp > 24). I suspect the latter, might be refrigerant leak / low freon. Since previous (non inverter) AC does the job, I assume same 1.5hp capacity yung pinalitan? Anyway, the new unit can be diagnosed by Carrier SC under warranty pa naman.
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^you are reading my mind eh? :)
i'm trying if we could find any sort of issue with the room, will shift with the AC then. and yes i suspect there could be something wrong with the AC also. interesting case na naman kasi eto. -
@statix,
Yeah I'm reading your mind ;)
it could be hindi nyo lang siguro "hiyang" ang 24~25°C temp setting. kanya-kanya rin kasi tayo ng preferences sa climate
This too. Like if one stayed in a cold country for quite long, maninibago sa climate pag uwi dito. By experience, when I stayed overseas for about a month most of the time I enjoyed 6 to 10°C there minsan below zero pa. Kaya pag uwi ko dito init na init ako't lagi naka full blast AC ko. It took me some time before I got used to the "normal" > 24°C temp of my AC. So yes acclimatization another possibility why set the AC temp that low to be comfortable. Or simply high tolerance lang talaga sa lamig.
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ngayon ko lang nagamit yung pinainstall ko na 2.5hp panasonic premium :( minsan lumalamya yung lamig. lalo na sa gabi nagigising kami mainit. kakainstall lang nito last april 28. nireport ko na sa binilihan ko kasi ramdam ko talaga nagbabago temp.
24-25c settings ko lagi minsan sobra lamig sa ganyang settings tapos may time sa gabi na nararamdaman mo nawawwala yung lamig.
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I think Kayeromtal’s unit is undersized. 1.5hp for 20sqm? 2hp minimum niyan para sakin lalo na 3rd floor tapos not sure pa sa insulation. Napansin ko din pag sakto sized/medyo undersized yung aircon para sa room bitin talaga yung 25-26c. Yung master bedroom namin mga 14sqm + 4sqm walk in closet 2hp gamit ko 25-26c set temp and actual temp ranges from low 24s to high 25s. Sakto lang. Dun sa isang bedroom namin 1hp for 13sqm (i know nagkamali ako ng estimate ng room size nito) uncomfortable ako sa 25-26c set temp. Usually nasa 22-24c pag ginagamit namin yung room na yun. Coupled with the summer heat ngayon, mabibitin ka talaga sa 1.5hp for 20sqm.
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ngayon ko lang nagamit yung pinainstall ko na 2.5hp panasonic premium :( minsan lumalamya yung lamig. lalo na sa gabi nagigising kami mainit. kakainstall lang nito last april 28. nireport ko na sa binilihan ko kasi ramdam ko talaga nagbabago temp.
naka AUTO ka siguro? behavior ng panasonic yan. try to switch manual FAN setting. -
naka AUTO ka siguro? behavior ng panasonic yan. try to switch manual FAN setting.
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I think Kayeromtal’s unit is undersized. 1.5hp for 20sqm? 2hp minimum niyan para sakin lalo na 3rd floor tapos not sure pa sa insulation. Napansin ko din pag sakto sized/medyo undersized yung aircon para sa room bitin talaga yung 25-26c. Yung master bedroom namin mga 14sqm + 4sqm walk in closet 2hp gamit ko 25-26c set temp and actual temp ranges from low 24s to high 25s. Sakto lang. Dun sa isang bedroom namin 1hp for 13sqm (i know nagkamali ako ng estimate ng room size nito) uncomfortable ako sa 25-26c set temp. Usually nasa 22-24c pag ginagamit namin yung room na yun. Coupled with the summer heat ngayon, mabibitin ka talaga sa 1.5hp for 20sqm.
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naka AUTO ka siguro? behavior ng panasonic yan. try to switch manual FAN setting.
yep naka auto lahat, will try your reco :)
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Sa mga naka LG, tuwing kelan kayo nag auauto clean mode? Daily ba dapat every time mag off yung aircon ba dapat ang recommended?
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I have a TCL and naka auto din. Same experience kay tongerks na humihina. Significant ba increase ng electricity kung mag manual fan ako? Medium level ng fan siguro?
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My usual routine is turning it on around 12pm -8pm which gets around 4- 4.5kW/h . I stay between 26-28 temp settings. Baka same lang kung 8am-8pm ko sya i-operate.
you're on the sweet spot with your temp settings.
would it be the same kung 8am~8pm mo sya paandarin? of course not, parang yung nag claim lang iyan na mas matipid daw kung 27/7 paandarin ang AC :)
but if you want to try, sige paps,,,, experiment tayo. then report back here :)
Just an update total usage yesterday was 4.6 kW/h. From 8am-8pm. Pwede na din.
ngayon ko lang nagamit yung pinainstall ko na 2.5hp panasonic premium :( minsan lumalamya yung lamig. lalo na sa gabi nagigising kami mainit. kakainstall lang nito last april 28. nireport ko na sa binilihan ko kasi ramdam ko talaga nagbabago temp.
24-25c settings ko lagi minsan sobra lamig sa ganyang settings tapos may time sa gabi na nararamdaman mo nawawwala yung lamig.
Panasonic user here as well. Tama nga kapag naka auto lahat mainit, tapos naka EcoNavi pa. What I do is 1st 15 minutes iAutoX then 26C temp, EcoNavi, Auto both horizontal and vertical swings then level 3 fan speed. Madalas binababa ko sa level 2 before sleeping giniginaw na ko.
Btw, what is your room size? Anlakas ng 2.5 HP.
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Takte may long version pa pala yung post about 24/7 sa homebuddies.. Let's try to break it down section by section..
The KEY to energy savings is understanding how your AC works.
Yung AC ko ay LG 1.5 HP Dual Inverter. After installation, nadagdagan yung bill namin ng 500 pesos. Paano ko namaintian na 500 pesos lang per month? Walang patayan! Almost walang patayan.
THIS IS ONLY APPLICABLE SA INVERTER AIRCON:
Kapag nag on ka ng AC, ang una nyang ginagawa ay palamigin yung room which takes a lot of power to do.
Kapag na achieve na ng aircon yung sinet mong temperature settings, ang gagawin na lang nya ay i maintain yung lamig (puts the AC to low power mode andito na papasok yung tipid)
This is very true. It takes a lot of energy to cool a room at startup than just to keep a room cool..
Ang ginagawa ko ay patayin lang yung AC namin once a week tuwing nag ge-general cleaning kami or kung nag go-grocery.
Hindi naman pala talaga 24/7..
Imagine if everyday kang nagpapatay ng AC, edi 30 times sa isang bwan kailangan ng AC palamigin yung kwarto mo. 30 times yung power consuming phase nung cooling system.
Haller! So what if it needs to do that 30 times a month? That's what it was made for!
EXPLANATION KUNG BAKIT MAGASTOS MAG PATAY SINDI NG AIRCON NA INVERTER ARAW ARAW:
NAKAPATAY YUNG AIRCON:
INVERTER- Consumption is zero
REGULAR - Consumption is zero
pinakatipid hahaha
SININDI ANG AIRCON:
INVERTER - Consumtion is HIGH
REGULAR - Consumption is HIGH
pareho lang po and ginagawa ng aircon kapag sinindi palamigin yung room
ito ang pinaka magastos / pinaka power consuming phase ng airconditioning. kasi malaki ang temperature difference between sa room temp bago sinindi at target room temp kapag sinindi.
LUMAMIG NA YUNG KWARTO SA TARGET TEMPERATURE
INVERTER - Consumption is MEDIUM TO LOW
REGULAR - Consumption is still HIGH kasi non inverter aircon ay walang variable motor speed unless may power saving model.
PINATAY ANG AIRCON:
babalik ka ulit sa sinindi ang aircon
Okay so we all know this part..
SININDI ANG AIRCON NG TANGHALI:
ang power consumption ay mas mataas kasi yung init sa loob ng bahay na hinihigop ng refrigerant ng aircon, mahirap ibuga sa labas ng radiator ng aircon kasi mainit
Uh-oh he's stumbling over himself here.. Given na mainit, it takes a lot of energy para sa aircon unit to cool the room. Di din nakakatulong na mainit ang hangin sa labas kung kaya hindi ganun ka-efficient ang cooling ng condenser fan.
SININDI ANG AIRCON NG GABI:
ang power consumption ay mas mababa kumpara sa sinindi ng tanghali kasi mas madaling maibubuga ng radiator yung init kasi malamig yung paligid.
Makes sense naman. Mas efficient ang cooling dahil bukod sa hindi ganun kataas ang ambient temps ay di na din mainit ang blowing air sa condenser.
TIP: Wag wag mag set ng sobrang lamig. Ang goal ng AC ay mag set ng ambient room temperature. Hindi gawing ref yung kwarto mo. We keep our room at 20 to 22 degrees celcius. Comfortable na kami sa temperature na yun.
I think these people are rather thick-skinned to be comfy at 20-22 degrees. Not exactly an efficient temperature setting for me..
TIP: Mas mataas ang power consumption ng pag turn on the AC kapag sinindi mo sa tanghali kasi mainit sa labas at mas nahihirapan yung compressor / radiation system ng AC na ibuga ang init sa labas. Kung mag sisindi ka ng AC, mga 10:00 AM pa lang isindi mo na.
Makes sense naman. But he has no data to prove that it consumes less energy to start cooling at 10am than to turn it on when you need it like say 1pm when it starts to get uncomfortably hot in the PHL.. So I call this claim plausible but unproven.
TIP: Maglagay ng kurtina sa bahay kasi less init na papasok, less init palalabasin ng aircon
TIP: Hopefully yung compressor ng aircon hindi tinatamaan ng direct sunlight kasi syempre mas mainit, mas hirap magbuga ng init sa labas
We already have this in page 01.. and more. Hehehe
UPDATE: kasama po sa pag try na wag magpatay in inverter AC is to make sure maayos yung installation at wire kasi may risk ng sunog kung hindi tama ang wires.
#ctto #homebuddies #invertersplitypeAC
Oh how I wish they could all just repost page 01 sa homebuddies so all these falsehoods could be set straight.. Hehehe
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Oh how I wish they could all just repost page 01 sa homebuddies so all these falsehoods could be set straight.. Hehehe
or maybe they're just dishing out the most from here? stalkers,,,,? O_O hehe -
Pa OT mga paps.
Plano ko bumili ng inverter aircon pero kulang pa budget. Then last week pinalitan ko yung sirang exhaust fan ng kitchen namin. Since bago ang lakas humigop ng init sa kitchen namin yung exhaust. Naisip ko lang...What if kung baligtarin ko yung exhaust as papasok ang hangin, then lagay ko sa bintana pag gabi. (malamig kasi hangin sa labas) Gagana kaya habang wala pa aircon? Hehehe. -
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Pa OT mga paps.
Plano ko bumili ng inverter aircon pero kulang pa budget. Then last week pinalitan ko yung sirang exhaust fan ng kitchen namin. Since bago ang lakas humigop ng init sa kitchen namin yung exhaust. Naisip ko lang...What if kung baligtarin ko yung exhaust as papasok ang hangin, then lagay ko sa bintana pag gabi. (malamig kasi hangin sa labas) Gagana kaya habang wala pa aircon?
kahit sa regular electric fan naman mas efficient kung itatalikod mo sya sa bukas na bintana para fresh and malamig na hangin ang mahigop nya para papasok sa loob ng room.
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mas effective yan kung hindi mo ilalapat yung door para may circulation palabas. wala ka nga lang privacy.
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