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thevoid
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26 Apr 19 @ 10:34 PM #
^ ayon kay LTT, USUALLY hindi advisable to mix memory sticks. not sure kung same ang CAS at speed ay pwede even if different brand/chips.
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sleepygeepy
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27 Apr 19 @ 12:37 AM #
@specterbks
Pwede naman mag mix-and-match pero hindi siya advisable. Kapag pinag-combine mo ang Ripjaws V DDR3-1866 (2x4GB) with the Hyper X DDR3-1866 (2x4GB) most likely gagana sila... but this can also happen:
- Timings might be slower so instead of CL9 all memory sticks will run at higher CAS latency
- Yung buong memory set mo (4x4GB) will only run at the default DDR3-1600 or DDR3-1333
- Worst case, possible na hindi gumana ang dual-channel mode and you can only run the memory in single-channel mode
Take note na rare naman mangyari ang mga problems na binanggit ko, but the risk is still there. Kaya mas advisable na you get the same brand / same model of memory sticks.
My suggestion, buy a 2x8GB DDR3-1600 memory kit then sell off mo yung G.Skill Ripjaws or keep mo nalang as a backup. Anyway medyo luma narin yung motherboard mo and can only support DDR3-1600 speeds. Also in case maging defective yung isang DIMM slot which is common sa mga lumang motherboards... at least magagamit mo parin yung full 16GB of memory :-)
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tats25
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27 Apr 19 @ 10:29 AM #
Sir ..sleepygeepy
Magtanong lang din po ako.. i have also gskill 2x4gb 1866 , pede ba ako mag add ng 4gb single stick same spec , bale may maiiwan na isang slot .... gusto ko lng kase maging 12gb bitin na ksae ung 8gb
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sleepygeepy
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28 Apr 19 @ 12:38 AM #
@tats25
Pwede naman... pero ang mangyayari kasi mag run in single-channel mode yung memory mo. Mas malaki ang capacity (8GB to 12GB) pero yung bandwidth niya kalahati nalang (from 128-bit to 64-bit).
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bintsmok
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05 May 19 @ 12:19 AM #
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core2pentium4
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05 May 19 @ 12:02 PM #
^
Mas maganda kung may allowance kang ram, para may space pa sa background apps.
Yung 8GB ram pag nagtry ako ng GTA5 at nakaopen sa background isang tab ng Chrome browser, kinakain na yung buong 8GB. Hindi na sapat para sa mga anti-virus, windows updates, etc.
Kaya magcacause yan madalas na stuttering if kinakapos yung ram. Malaking effect yun sa user experience.
-- edited by core2pentium4 on May 05 2019, 12:05 PM
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RyuzakiL
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06 May 19 @ 12:25 PM #
Ang mahal pa din ng trip kong RAM >>
<click here for link>
2x16gb 3200 @ CL 14 G.Skill TridentZ
18k pa din sya and order bases lang :(
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PyroclasticFlo
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03 Jun 19 @ 02:02 AM #
Mula sa 8gb (4gbx2 HyperX Fury 1600s), gusto ko na sanang mag-upgrade sa 16gb by 8gbx2. Am looking at Team Elite, as this vendor is selling it cheaper. Is it a good brand?
EDIT: Looking at Pcpartpicker, mostly positive comments, so I think I should get the kit over a 2tb drive upgrade.
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ralphchua
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03 Jun 19 @ 07:52 AM #
kapag ba bumili ako ng quad channel ram kunwari 4x8gb tas ginamit ko dalawa lang kasi dual channel lang pala kaya ng mobo magiging dual channel ba siya since 2 sticks lang nakasaksak?
tsaka alin dito ang mas ok ang performance
1.) 2x16gb
2.) (2x8gb) x 2 bale dalawang 8gb dual channel kit
same lang ba performance o me mas ok? assume na lang natin 2133mhz cl16 lahat
-- edited by ralphchua on Jun 03 2019, 07:53 AM
-- edited by ralphchua on Jun 03 2019, 03:00 PM
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sleepygeepy
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03 Jun 19 @ 01:52 PM #
@ralphchua
kapag ba bumili ako ng quad channel ram kunwari 8x4gb tas ginamit ko dalawa lang kasi dual channel lang pala kaya ng mobo magiging dual channel ba siya since 2 sticks lang nakasaksak?
Yes gagana ang 2x4GB in dual channel mode kung two memory sticks lang gagamitin mo. That is assuming na install mo yung 2 memory sticks sa correct DIMM slots ng motherboard. Kung apat ang memory slots ng motherboard mo, then pwede mo din install 4 memory sticks para meron kang 16GB running in dual-channel mode (4x4GB dual-channel).
tsaka alin dito ang mas ok ang performance
1.) 2x16gb
2.) (2x8gb) x 2 bale dalawang 8gb dual channel kit
same lang ba performance o me mas ok? assume na lang natin 2133mhz cl16 lahat
It will also depend kung ang memory sticks mo are single-rank / single-sided or dual-rank / dual-sided. Typically ang 2x8GB memory kit na mabibili mo ngayon is single-rank / single-sided dahil cheaper na maglagay ng 8GB worth of chips on one side of the memory PCB. Pero yung mga older batch of memory kits especially DDR4-2133 might be dual-rank / dual-sided so makikita mo na my 4GB worth of memory chips per side ng memory PCB.
Pero to simplify things, let's assume the following:
- Yung 2x16GB memory kit is using dual-ranked sticks with speed of DDR4-2133 CL16
- Yung two 2x8GB memory kits are using single-ranked sticks with speed of DDR4-2133 CL16
- Yung motherboard mo has 4 memory slots but capable only of dual-channel memory operation
Yung 2x16GB will perform faster due to rank interleaving, but in real world use hindi noticeable ang difference. Overclocking memory will be more difficult on 2x16GB dahil dual-ranked sticks ang gamit. But there are some high quality memory kits that can overclock to high speeds even if 2x16GB yung capacity.
Yung 4x8GB setup using single-rank sticks will perform slightly slower but chances are hindi siya noticeable over 2x16GB. In theory it should be easier to overclock 4x8GB using single-rank sticks. But yung assumption dun is maganda ang quality ng motherboard and maganda yung quality ng IMC ng processor, in other words sila na yung limiting factor.
I would recommend going with 2x16GB kasi it leaves 2 free memory slots on your motherboard. So kung kailangan mo ng more memory, pwede ka mag 4x16GB assuming kaya i-support ng motherboard ang 64GB configuration. Also kung masira ang isang memory slot ng motherboard mo, pwede mo ilipat yung 2x16GB to the second pair of memory slots.
-- edited by sleepygeepy on Jun 03 2019, 01:56 PM
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ralphchua
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03 Jun 19 @ 03:04 PM #
ok thanks kala ko kasi pag binili mo quad channel kit either gagana siya as quad channel or tig single na haha pwede pala magamit as dual. kaso ang balak ko namang bilin na board hindi sinusupport ang quad channel kaya 2x8gb na nga lang muna ako.
ay meron pa palang ganyan kala ko frequency at latency lang itetake into consideration dami pala. first time ko kasi bumuo ng rig hehe, ang iniiwasan ko lang ay mabottleneck ang performance baka kasi maganon ko nang di ko alam.
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sleepygeepy
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03 Jun 19 @ 03:21 PM #
@ralphchua
Actually yung dual-channel / quad-channel nasa motherboard ang nag de-determine kung ano ang pwedeng memory configuration.
Ano yung CPU, motherboard, and memory na balak mo bilhin sir? Para pwede din mag recommend dito sa thread without worry of bottlenecks :-)
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ralphchua
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03 Jun 19 @ 03:58 PM #
Ryzen 2700x or antayin 3850x baka worth it naman price to performance. Sana close to 499$ din pag nirelease dito.
MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC
GSKILL RIPJAWS V 16GB DUAL DDR4 3200MHZ
GPU napakahirap pumili haha sa dynaquest kasi ako bibili wala na ata silang binebentang 1080 kaya baka mag 2070 kung di na magkaron. 1440p gaming lang habol ko kahit di umabot 3 digits fps basta 60 ang minimum
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sleepygeepy
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03 Jun 19 @ 10:45 PM #
@ralphchua
If you are waiting for Ryzen 3000 series, go for Ryzen 7 3700X or Ryzen 7 3800X. Then pair with a midrange X570 motherboard or premium X470 motherboard. I guess it will depend on your budget and ano yung magiging pricing ng Ryzen 3000 processors and X570 motherboards when they arrive some time in July - August.
For non-gaming workloads maganda ang Ryzen 7 3700X because of the 65W TDP and efficient performance. You can probably run that processor for rendering or encoding 24x7 without worrying about thermals.
For gaming and overclocking maganda ang Ryzen 7 3800X because of the higher 105W TDP which will allow the CPU to boost higher. If you will pair it with an X570 motherboard, may enhanced overclocking feature ang X570 which might allow the CPU to boost all 8-cores to max turbo speed. Hindi pa sure yung details on what it does exactly but it could be an improved version of PBO that works only with Ryzen 3000 series.
If you are aiming for DDR4-3200 memory, then definitely go with Ryzen 3000 and X570 since default memory support nila is already DDR4-3200. Mas malaki ang chance for compatibility with older DDR4-3200 memory kits with Intel timings.
I would recommend getting something like G.Skill Flare X or yung G.Skill Trident Z GTZRX dual-channel kits na DDR4-3200 with CL14 timings especially if you will use the PC for gaming. Pero kung tight ang budget, yung Teamgroup T-Force Delta / T-Force TUF are also affordable alternatives.
Sa videocard, if you plan to play at 1440p with framerates well above 60 fps it's either go with RTX 2080 or look for GTX 1080 Ti videocards on clearance sale. Meron Gigabyte GTX 1080 Ti with reference cooler for around Php 33.8K which looks like a good deal but stocks are dwindling.
I would not recommend buying the RTX 2070 now kasi yung price-to-performance niya is very low compared to the midrange Turing videocards. You are better off buying an RTX 2060 which is 11% slower at 1440p but around 40% - 50% cheaper. Yung RTX 2060 should be good enough for 1440p gaming at around the 60 fps level depending on graphics settings. You can also wait for AMD RX 5700 series if you are not in a hurry to buy your videocard. If yung price niya is much lower than RTX 2070 it can be a good deal considering you can pair it with any FreeSync gaming monitor.
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ralphchua
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04 Jun 19 @ 09:22 AM #
antay na lang siguro magkaron ng benchmark video sa youtube bago ifinalize. ang sure ko lang sa ngayon AMD Ryzen ang cpu UNLESS maglabas intel ng tatapat sa presyo at performance ng ryzen kahit medyo malabo.
If you are aiming for DDR4-3200 memory, then definitely go with Ryzen 3000 and X570 since default memory support nila is already DDR4-3200.
what do you mean sir rurun na siya as 3200mhz out of the box di ko na kelangan kalikutin bios?
regarding sa memory with cl14 timings ang nakikita ko lang 2400-2666mhz tsaka mejo pricey na. yung nakita ko kasing g.skill ripjaws v 16gb 3200 cl16 halos 6k lang tas nanuod ako ng performance difference ng cl14,15,16 parang negligible na ang improvements kaya hayaan na lang siguro o mali yung ganon yung aasa sa mga benchmark videos sa youtube?
I would not recommend buying the RTX 2070 now kasi yung price-to-performance niya is very low compared to the midrange Turing videocards. You are better off buying an RTX 2060 which is 11% slower at 1440p but around 40% - 50% cheaper. Yung RTX 2060 should be good enough for 1440p gaming at around the 60 fps level depending on graphics settings. You can also wait for AMD RX 5700 series if you are not in a hurry to buy your videocard. If yung price niya is much lower than RTX 2070 it can be a good deal considering you can pair it with any FreeSync gaming monitor.
ang pinaka mura kong nakitang 2070 ay pumapatak ng 29-30k ok na ba yon?
yung monitor kasi na gagamitin ko ay MSI OPTIX MAG271CQR 144hz sayang lang ba since malayo sa 144 ang makukuha kong fps? kung sayang lang baka yung AOPEN 27ML1U 75hz na lang.
-- edited by ralphchua on Jun 04 2019, 09:24 AM
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sleepygeepy
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04 Jun 19 @ 04:15 PM #
@ralphchua
what do you mean sir rurun na siya as 3200mhz out of the box di ko na kelangan kalikutin bios?
Nope that's not what I meant. What I mean sir is mas mataas na yung memory compatibility ng Ryzen 3000 series. From DDR4-2933 nag increase na yung officially supported speed nila to DDR4-3200. In other words mas malaki na yung chance na ang DDR4-3200 memory kits with Intel XMP profiles will run at their manufacturer rated speed and timings.
Now some DDR4-3200 memory kits will run out-of-the-box at DDR4-3200 speed hassle-free... and some memory kits kailangan parin ng konting adjustments sa BIOS to get the correct speed and timings. But yung bottom line is better na ang compatibility ni Ryzen 3000 series with high speed memory compared to Ryzen 2000 series. So hopefully hindi na sakit ng ulo yung pag-pili ng compatible memory kits.
Kung gusto mo ng hassle-free / plug-and-play lang na DDR4-3200 memory kit, kailangan mo parin i-check sa QVL ng motherboard kung ano yung memory kit na tested nila to work at DDR4-3200 speeds with Ryzen 3000 processors. Wala parin guarantee na
any DDR4-3200 memory kit will work kasi most are using Intel specific timings and voltages (aka Intel XMP). Yung safest choice would be to go with Ryzen certified memory kits.
regarding sa memory with cl14 timings ang nakikita ko lang 2400-2666mhz tsaka mejo pricey na. yung nakita ko kasing g.skill ripjaws v 16gb 3200 cl16 halos 6k lang tas nanuod ako ng performance difference ng cl14,15,16 parang negligible na ang improvements kaya hayaan na lang siguro o mali yung ganon yung aasa sa mga benchmark videos sa youtube?
Admittedly hindi din malaki ang performance improvement ng CL14 timings sa games and mas sulit parin kung bumili ka ng faster videocard or faster CPU. Pero kung gusto mo i-minimize ang CPU bottleneck as much as possible, buying a high speed memory kit with tight timings is a good investment. Also magagamit mo naman din yung same memory kit sa future builds, assuming DDR4 memory parin yung gamit.
Pero like I said, kung tight ang budget may other DDR4-3200 kits available with CL16 timings (and higher) na mas affordable:
Php 6,100 = G.Skill Flare X 2x8GB DDR4-3200 CL16 (
F4-3200C16D-16GFX) >> AMD Certified
Php 7,500 = G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x8GB DDR4-3200 CL16 (
F4-3200C16D-16GTZRX) >> AMD Certified
Php 7,500 = G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x8GB DDR4-3600 CL18 (
F4-3600C18D-16GTZRX) >> AMD Certified
ang pinaka mura kong nakitang 2070 ay pumapatak ng 29-30k ok na ba yon?
Well it's up to you sir... pero bigyan lang kita ng idea:
Php 29,390 =
Palit RTX 2070 Gaming Pro OC
Php 19,220 =
Palit RTX 2060 Gaming Pro OC
Pagdating sa performance, ang Palit RTX 2070 Gaming Pro OC is 11% faster on average than yung Palit RTX 2060 Gaming Pro OC Pero pagdating sa price yung Palit RTX 2070 Gaming Pro OC is 53% more expensive. How can that be a good value?
yung monitor kasi na gagamitin ko ay MSI OPTIX MAG271CQR 144hz sayang lang ba since malayo sa 144 ang makukuha kong fps?
Hindi naman sayang kasi may ibang games na will run at above 60 fps - 75 fps and magagamit mo din ang FreeSync / G-Sync compatibility feature ng monitor. Mararamdaman mo din na less laggy ang feel ng controls kapag 144Hz ang monitor compared to a regular 60Hz or 75Hz monitor. Lastly kung may balak ka mag-upgrade ng videocard in the future, at least hindi mo na kailangan magpalit ng monitor kasi capable parin siya of 144 fps at 1440p.
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RyuzakiL
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21 Jul 19 @ 11:58 PM #
Mga Master
San kaya makakahanap ng CL14 @3200mhz here sa TPC? Puro C16 ang nakikita ko eh. Balak ko ksi, since isang beses lang naman ako gumastos, eh gusto ko yung superb na.
Thanks sa enlightenment mga master
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stedie28
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21 Aug 19 @ 03:32 AM #
mga sir question lang.. mobo ko is GA-b250m-hd3.. can run 2400mhz ng ram since naka i5 7th gen ako.. gusto ko sana palitan ung ram ko ng g.skill trident z rgb. ang kaso, wala nang mga 2400mhz avail.. pwede ba ako mag salpak ng 3000mhz?
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kitt0y
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21 Aug 19 @ 04:06 AM #
^pwede yan sir, ibaba naman ng mobo mo yung frequency ng rams hanggang sa pinaka mataas nya na kaya... kung max ng mobo mo is 2400mhz, tapos sinalpakan mo ng 3000mhz.. 2400mhz ang babasahin ng mobo mo... hope this helps
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stedie28
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21 Aug 19 @ 09:00 AM #
super helpful sir.. ganyan din ung mga nakita ko review from abroad kaso 2017 pa eh.. baka nag iba na galawan.. salamat
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RyuzakiL
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04 Sep 19 @ 11:45 AM #
@ All
Meron pa kaya 32gb kit @3200mhz C16L around 8.7k? I heard bumaba na price ng Ram sa market.
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sleepygeepy
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04 Sep 19 @ 11:05 PM #
@RyuzakiL
Sa awesome pricelist I see these kits...
Php 8,500 = 32gb (dual) ddr4 3000 Crucial Ballistix Sport TUF, CL17 1.35v, pn: BLS2K16G4D30CEST
Php 8,650 = 32gb (dual) ddr4 3000 Patriot Viper Steel, CL16 1.35v, pn: PVS432G300C6K
Php 9,010 = 32gb (dual) ddr4 3200 Patriot Viper Steel, CL16 1.35v, pn: PVS432G320C6K
Be on the lookout as well for Micron E-Die kits from Crucial Ballistix or HyperX Fury etc. Balita ko they work very well with Ryzen and common ang DDR4-3600 CL16 sa kanila.
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kitt0y
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04 Sep 19 @ 11:07 PM #
san pa kaya meron 32GB Kit na DDR3.. kahit 1866mhz or higher..
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RyuzakiL
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04 Sep 19 @ 11:40 PM #
@sleepygeepy
Thank you Master! I did a search as well and I saw a G.Skill TridentZ 32gb Kit / 3200mhz @ CL16 = 8,950 sa DynoKuwest. I think hintayin ko muna ito mag karoon ng stock (they told me they're going to order it by next week). If by next week wala pa, yung Patriot Viper Steel, CL16 @ Php 8,650 na lang kunin ko.
Salamat ulit Master :)
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sleepygeepy
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05 Sep 19 @ 12:24 AM #
@RyuzakiL
If habol mo yung Trident Z RGB kits, check mo sir yung IFS ni sir louie sa maayos na computer shop :-)
Yung regular Trident Z RGB kits nasa Php 9,500 which is not bad narin. Pero for Ryzen, I think these kits are worth looking at:
Php 10,900 = G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB (16GBX2) DDR4 3200 F4-3200C16D-32GTZRX
Php 10,700 = G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32GB (16GBx2) DDR4 3200 RGB RAM F4-3200C16D-32GTZN
Yung GTZRX and Trident Z Neo memory kits are optimized for Ryzen so hindi magiging problem ang compatibility. Yun lang mas mahal talaga ang G.Skill Trident Z.
Pero if you are planning on 2x16GB now and upgrading to 4x16GB in the future... mas recommend ko na yung G.Skill Trident Z kasi mas commonly available siya sa atin. Yung Patriot Viper Steel brand of memory kits... baka one time deal lang and mahirap makahanap ng same pair of memory kit in the future.
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RyuzakiL
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05 Sep 19 @ 08:48 AM #
^
Copya Master, will keep this in mind as well kso I'm still on Intel Platform pa (8700k), I think hindi naman mapili yung intel when it comes to ram.
Thanks again Master :)
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sleepygeepy
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05 Sep 19 @ 01:43 PM #
^
Ah sorry, naka Core i7-8700K ka pala no... tama sir wala masyado issue sa high speed memory compatibility. Kahit DDR4-3600 CL16 no issues, plug-and-play / use XMP profile lang.
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kitt0y
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06 Sep 19 @ 12:42 AM #
@sleepygeepy
baka may alam ka meron 32GB Kit na DDR3.. kahit 1866mhz or higher.. pabulong naman kung saan... salamat
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sleepygeepy
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06 Sep 19 @ 01:53 AM #
@kitt0y
So far wala pa ako nakikita na for sale na 32GB kit (2x16GB) ng DDR3 memory. Kung meron it will be very expensive.
Mas readily available ang 16GB kits (2x8GB) then double-up mo nalang para maging 32GB (2x8GB + 2x8GB).
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PyroclasticFlo
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10 Sep 19 @ 08:51 PM #
He could also buy a motherboard with four RAM slots for a maximum of 32gb.
