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  • @ axel paps anong baril yung pangatlo? Polymer ba frame nya?
  • after range hindi ko nililinis and sometimes hindi ko rin nililinis bago ako pumutok follow up lang lube tapos konting snake bore sa barrel. pag may time na ako tsaka ako naglilinis ng mga baril ko.

    common mistake yan ng mga gun owners,nakakasira yan ng gun barrel kapag hinde nalilinis ng maige,kasi me naiiwan residue sa barrel and other parts of the gun na nag co cost ng corrosion na pwedeng maging dahilan na mag malfunction ang gun, so we suggest as M.O.'s if ask, how we do proper cleaning of the gun, meron naman mga homeboys or cadi boys na marunong maglinis ng gun pwede kang mag request and pay them nalang kung ayaw mong maglinis ng sarili mong guns, ako personally i clean my own gun disassemble it after firing it at the range and assemble it after finishing cleaning it,if you dont know how to clean it properly, maraming pwedeng magturo then remember ,para next time u know na,kasama na magazine dyan,disassemble it , remove base pad clean the spring with basahan, follower,blow or use blower to remove dust inside magazine tube and punasan para maging malinis,why clean? kasi it can also cause ng jam ,hinde nag ho home yung bullets na nakapatong sa follower papasok sa barrel kapag madumi yung magazine and spring





  • @vladz
    all steel no polymare plastic parts


    Gun Safety Rules
    1.1.4.1 Always assume that a gun is loaded.
    1.1.4.2 Never point a gun at anyone or anything that you
    do not want to shoot.
    1.1.4.3 Make sure of what you are aiming at and what is
    behind or around it before pulling the trigger.
    1.1.4.4 Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready
    to shoot the target.
    1.2 PSMOC Classification System
    Grand Master 95% to 100%
    Master 85% to 94.99%
    Class A 75% to 84.99%
    Class B 60% to 74.99%
    Class C 40% to 59.99%
    Class D Below 40%

    Types of Courses
    2.1 Speed Course - consists of steel, wooden, plastic/ polymer,
    and other approved targets that must fall in order to score
    and should not exceed 9 rounds to complete.
    2.2 Intermediate Course – shall consist of paper, metal,
    wooden, plastic/polymer, and other approved targets that
    should not exceed 20 rounds to complete.
    2.3 Ultimate Course – shall consist of paper, metal, wooden,
    plastic/polymer, and other approved targets that should
    not exceed 48 rounds to complete

    Types of Sanctioned Matches
    3.1 Level – 1 will have at least 5 stages. It is mandatory to have
    at least one speed, one intermediate, and one ultimate
    stage.Must be approved by the Zone Director, PSMOC
    District Manager, and MOO District Manager. Multi
    registration in different divisions is allowed in this level for
    purposes of fund raising and to give shooters the
    opportunity to shoot different types of firearms in a match
    provided he/she pays the registration fee for the new
    division. However, he will only be eligible to win awards
    or prizes in the first division that he registered in and in
    Limited 10 Division.
    3.2 Level–2 will have at least 8 stages. It is mandatory to have
    at least one speed, one intermediate, and one ultimate
    stage. Must be approved by the President, MOO
    Executive Director, Zone Director, PSMOC District
    Manager, and MOO District Manager. Shooters may
    register and win awards and prizes in one division per
    shooting discipline.
    3.3 Level –3 will have at least 12 stages. It is mandatory to
    have at least one speed, one intermediate, and one
    ultimate stage. Must be approved by the President, MOO
    Executive Director, Zone Director, PSMOC District
    Manager, and MOO District Manager. Shooters may
    register and win awards and prizes in one division only
    per shooting discipline.
    3.4 Level – 4 will have at least 18 stages. Must be approved
    by the Regional Director, President, MOO Executive
    Director, Zone Director, and Corporate Secretary.
    Shooters may register and win awards and prizes in one
    division only per shooting discipline.
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    3.5 Level – 5 will have at least 30 stages. Must be approved
    by the Regional Director, President, MOO Executive
    Director, Zone Director, and Corporate Secretary.

    Categories
    5.1 Qualified competitors may compete in different categories
    as follows:
    5.1.1 Junior Category - Competitors who are below 18
    years of age on the 1st day of the match. Will get
    50% discount on registration fee on level 2 and
    higher matches sanctioned by PSMOC.
    5.1.2 Lady Category – Female competitors.
    5.1.3 Senior Category - Competitors who are 50 years
    of age on the 1st day of the match.
    5.1.4 Super Senior Category - Competitors who are 60
    years of age on the 1st day of the match. Will get
    50% discount on registration fee on level 2 and
    higher matches sanctioned by PSMOC.
    5.1.5 Lawman Category – Competitors who are organic
    personnel of military and law enforcement
    agencies will get 50% discount on registration fee
    on level 2 and higher matches sanctioned by
    PSMOC. Those who will wear their duty uniforms
    while shooting the courses of fire shall be given a
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    50% discount on level 1 and higher matches and
    shall have a separate award from lawmen who
    did not wear their uniform. They may use
    their duty holsters provided that the firearm is
    pointed in a safe direction while holstered. Retired
    PNP and Military personnel will get 50% discount
    on registration fee sanctioned by PSMOC on level
    2 and 3 and higher matches.
    5.1.6 NALECC(National Law Enforcement
    Coordinating Committee)Category-
    Only active and regular personnel of
    NALECCmember agencies listed below are
    eligible to be in the NALECC category in PSMOC
    matches who are in the law enforcement
    departments or sections and carrying
    firearms as part of their jobs.
    Administrative personnel like office staff, accountants,
    engineers, clerks, who are not carrying firearms as
    part of their jobs are not eligible in the NALECC
    category.
    Confidential Agents are not eligible to the NALECC
    category.
    Security personnel of NALECC-member agencies should
    be regular/organic personnel directly employed by the
    agency and not employees of contractors or Private
    Security Agencies.
    Retired personnel are not eligible to the NALECC
    category.
    If there is a separate award for PNP competitors, PNP
    shooters will no longer be included in the NALECC
    category.
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    • Philippine National Police
    • Bureau of Immigration - Regular Agents who have law
    enforcement powers and carrying firearms as part of
    their job. Confidential Agents are not eligible
    • Banko Sentral ng Pilipinas - Regular Security
    Personnel of BSP only and not contractual or
    employed by Private Security Agency
    • Bureau of Customs - Customs Police or Intelligence
    personnel and other Customs personnel who carry
    firearms as part of their job. Admin staff like clerks,
    accountants are not eligible
    • Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP)
    Airport Police
    • Mactan-Cebu International Airport (MCIAA)- Airport
    Police
    • Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA)- Airport
    Police
    • National Bureau of Investigation (NBI)- Regular
    Agents only. Confidential Agents are not eligible
    • Philippine Coast Guard (PCG)- Regular personnel
    who are carrying firearms as part of their jobs.
    Administrative and support personnel are not eligible
    e.g. office staff, accountant, clerk
    • Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency (PDEA)-
    Regular Agents only Confidential Agents not eligible
    • Philippine Economic Zone Authority (PEZA)- Organic/
    Regular Security Personnel only and not employees
    of contractors or Private Security Agencies
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    • Other NALECC Agency personnel who are in the law
    enforcement/intelligence department or section
    whose jobs entail carrying firearms.


    CHAPTER 6 :
    Firearm Divisions and Ammunition Chrono Factor
    6.1 Competitors will compete in their respective Firearm
    Divisions as follows:
    6.1.1 Unlimited Division - Firearms can have electronic
    sights/scopes, laser aiming devices, installed
    flashlights, compensators, barrel and slide ports,
    no limit on handgun size. Maximum length of
    magazines is 170mm. Minimum caliber is 9mm.
    Minimum Ammo Chrono Factor for Full Load is
    165. Minimum Chrono Factor for Minimum Load
    is 125.
    6.1.2 Stock Hi-Cap Division– Semi-auto firearm with
    empty magazine inserted should fit in a box with
    internal dimensions: 225mm x 150mm x 45mm
    with the hammer cocked and safety engaged. Not
    permitted are: Optical/electronic sights/scopes,
    laser aiming devices, installed flashlights,
    compensators,and barrel ports. Minimum caliber
    is 9mm. Minimum caliber for Full Load is .40
    caliber. Minimum Chrono Factor for Full Load is
    165. Minimum Chrono Factor for Minimum Load
    is 125.
    6.1.3 Single Stack Division- Semi-auto 1911 genre
    pistol with iron sights and single stack magazines.
    Allowed calibers are 9mm Luger, .38 Super,
    10mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP. Bull barrels are
    allowed. The pistol with an empty magazine
    should fit inside a box with internal dimensions:
    225mm x 150mm x 45mm with the hammer
    cocked and safety engaged. Magazine wells shall
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    have a maximum outside width of 35mm. The
    dust cover shall have a maximum length of 75mm
    from the front edge to the back of the slide stop
    pin. Not permitted are: Optical/electronic sights/
    scopes, laser aiming devices, installed flashlights,
    compensators, and barrel ports. Maximum of 8
    rounds only will be loaded in all magazines at the
    Start signal. Competitors who will violate the
    maximum loaded round rule in magazines will be
    moved to Unlimited Division. Minimum Chrono
    Factor scoring for all calibers with a minimum
    Chrono Factor of 125 even if the actual Chrono
    Factor is Full Load.
    6.1.3.1 Classic .45 Category - This will be a
    Category within the Single Stack
    Division with a separate award.
    Competitors in Classic .45 Category can
    also win awards in the Single Stack
    Division depending upon their overall
    ranking in Single Stack Division. Semi-
    auto .45 caliber pistol with the
    configuration of the classic 1911 pistol
    with iron sights, busging type barrel and
    slide with stirrup cut. Not permitted are
    long or extended dust covers, bull
    barrels, optical/ electronic
    sights/scopes,laser aiming devices,
    installed flashlights, compensators, and
    barrel ports. Magazine wells shall have
    a maximum outside width of 35mm. The
    dust cover shall have a maximum length
    of 75mm from the front edge to the back
    of the slide stop pin. Maximum of 8
    rounds will be loaded in all magazines at
    the Start signal. Competitors who will
    violate the maximum loaded round rule
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    in magazines will be moved to Unlimited
    Division. Minimum Chrono factor of 125
    even if the actual Chrono factor is Full
    Load.
    6.1.4 Limited 10 Division – All semi-auto defensive
    firearms with a minimum caliber of 9mm can join
    this division but only 10 rounds can be loaded in
    all magazines at the Start signal. Iron sights only.
    Not permitted are Optical/electronic sights/
    scopes, laser aiming devices, and installed
    flashlights. Competitors who will violate the
    maximum loaded round rule in magazines will be
    moved to Unlimited Division.
    Minimum Chrono Factor scoring for all calibers
    with a Minimum Chrono Factor of 125 even if the
    actual Chrono Factor is Full Load.
    6.1.5 Double Action/ Striker Fired (DA/SF) Division
    Double Action or Striker Fired semi-auto pistol.
    Modifications allowed are minor detailing,
    polishing of internal parts, installation of
    aftermarket rear and front sights with fiber optic,
    grips with the same dimensions as the original
    OFM grips, after market barrel with the same
    dimension as the OFM barrel.
    Maximum of 17 rounds in magazines at the Start
    signal. Minimum caliber is 9mm. Minimum
    Chrono Factor for Minimum Load is 125. All loads
    with a Chrono Factor of 125 and above will be
    scored as Minimum Load. No minimum trigger
    pull/weight for double action on first shot. For
    condition one, hammer fully down/decocked or
    ease hammer down. Not permitted are: Optical/
    electronic sights/scopes, laser aiming devices,
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    installed flashlights, compensators, barrel ports,
    slide porting.
    6.1.6 Revolver Division – Maximum of six(6) rounds
    fired before reload if Full Load Chrono Factor was
    declared and maximum of eight(8) rounds fired
    before reload if Minimum Load Chrono Factor
    was declared. Full Load threshold is 165.
    Minimum Load threshold is 125. Minimum bullet
    caliber is 9mm.No modifications allowed except:
    replacement of iron sights, hammers, cylinder
    releases, barrels but should be the same length,
    weight as OFM barrel, chamfering of cylinders,
    minor detailing such as replacement of springs
    laser aiming devices, installed flashlights,
    compensators, and barrel ports.
    6.1.7 Carry Optics Division - Double Action or Striker
    Fired semi-auto pistol with optical/electronic sight
    installed directly on the slide between the ejection
    port and the rear of the slide. Optical/electronic
    sight may not be mounted on the frame in any
    way. Minimum caliber is 9mm. Minimum Load
    threshold is 125. All loads with a Chrono Factor
    of 125 and above will be scored as Minimum
    Load. No minimum trigger pull/weight for double
    action on first shot. Handguns with external
    hammers must be fully decocked at the start
    signal.
    Not permitted are: laser aiming devices, installed
    flashlights, compensators, and barrel ports. The
    slide may be modified specifically for the purpose
    of installing optical sights or cocking
    serrations. Textured finishes, grip tape, milling or
    stippling on the slide to provide texture is
    also allowed. Cuts designed to specifically
    or significantly lighten the slide, such as holes,
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    are allowed. Maximum magazine length is
    141.25mm. No maximum ammunition capacity.
    Maximum weight is 45 oz. including optic sight
    and empty magazine Internal modifications are
    allowed which do not conflict with other clauses
    and do not result to visible change in the
    appearance of the firearm when it is in battery.
    All factory safety mechanisms whether internal or
    external should be fully functional.
    Slides and barrels may be replaced as long as
    they are of the same length, contour, and caliber
    as the original slide and/or barrel for that firearm
    model.
    Replacement of grip panels is allowed as long as
    they do not extend below the butt of the gun to
    form a make-shift magwell. Grip modifications
    like undercutting/smoothing trigger guard, adding
    or removing finger grooves, or adding stippling,
    grip tape, or checkering are allowed.
    Sights, firing pins, firing pin retainers, pins,
    extractors, magazine releases, slide stops, thumb
    safeties, triggers, hammers, bushings, and
    ejectors MAY be replaced with OFM or
    aftermarket parts. OFM and aftermarket
    magazines and base pads can be used provided
    they comply with the 141.25mm maximum
    magazine length.
    Installing an aftermarket magwell and external
    flaring is prohibited
    Only handguns approved in Double Action/Striker
    Fired Division can be used in Carry Optics
    Division.
    Prohibited modifications to the handgun shall be
    grounds for moving the shooter to Unlimited
    Division
    Range Commands for Handgun
    9.1 “Make Ready” - This command will announce the start of the
    course of fire. The competitor may now handle his gun
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    and in a safe manner put it in a condition as specified in
    the stage briefing. At this point, the competitor is
    responsible for ensuring that he is wearing eye and ear
    protection.
    He should assume the proper start position when he
    is ready.
    9.2 “Are You Ready?” - The Match Officer will assume that the
    competitor is ready if he will not give a negative verbal
    response like “No” or “ Not Ready” or a hand signal by
    raising his hand.
    9.3 “Standby” - The competitor must remain relatively still
    maintaining the required start position until he hears the
    start signal or beep/tone from the timer within 2 to 4
    seconds depending upon the electronic timer used and
    its setting.
    9.4 “Tone or Beep from the timer” – At the sound of the tone
    or beep from the timer, the competitor may now move
    and/or draw his gun and shoot the targets in any order
    according to his style or strategy.
    9.5 “Stop” – The Match Officer may issue this command at
    anytime during the course of fire. The competitor should
    immediately stop moving and shooting and point the gun
    in a safe direction and follow further instructions of the
    Match Officer.
    9.6 “If You Are Finished, Unload and Show Clear” Competitor
    should first remove the magazine and eject the round in
    the chamber then hold the slide open to give the Match
    Officer a clear view that the chamber is empty. This
    should be done while the firearm is pointed in a safe
    direction/downrange.
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    9.7 “If Clear, Hammer Down, Holster” - The Match Officer should
    first verify that the magazine is removed and that the
    chamber is empty before issuing this command. The
    competitor will not continue shooting at any target after
    issuance of thiscommand. He is responsible for ensuring
    that the firearm is clear even though the Match Officer did
    his best to verify that it is clear. If the gun is clear, the
    competitor should pull the trigger to put the hammer down
    or release the striker while the gun is pointed in a safe
    downrange then holster his gun.
    Violation will mean match disqualification.
    9.8 “Range Is Clear” - Once the hand is clear of the holstered
    firearm and the command “Range is Clear” is given by the
    MO, it signifies the end of the course of fire. The front
    Match Officer will now announce the Time and the scorer
    will record it on the score sheet or tablet or i-pad and the
    competitor and Match Officers/scorer may now move
    towards the targets to verify the hits.

    Handgun Ready Conditions
    10.1 Condition One
    10.1.1 For Single Action Pistols - the magazine is
    inserted,a round is loaded in the chamber,
    hammer is cocked,with the external safety
    engaged.
    10.1.2 For Double Action Pistols – the magazine is
    inserted and a round is loaded in the chamber,
    hammer fully down or decocked.
    10.1.3 For Double/Selective Action Revolvers – fully
    loaded cylinder, hammer fully down.
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    10.2 Condition Two
    10.2.1 For Single Action Pistols – the magazine is
    inserted, chamber empty, hammer fully down
    10.2.2 For Double Action Pistols – the magazine is
    inserted, chamber empty, hammer fully down
    10.2.3 For Double Action Revolver – fully loaded cylinder,
    hammer fully down
    10.3 Condition Three
    10.3.1 For Single Action Pistols – Unloaded, no
    magazine inserted, empty chamber,
    hammer fully down
    10.3.2 For Double Action Pistols – Unloaded, no
    magazine inserted, empty chamber,
    hammer fully down
    10.3.3 For Double Action Revolver – Unloaded,
    empty cylinder, hammer fully down

    SPECIFIC RULES FOR 2-GUN
    MATCHES
    12.1 Types of Matches:
    12.1.1 Handgun + Practical Rimfire Rifle .22LR
    12.1.2 Handgun + Semi-auto Sporting Rifle (Minimum
    .223/5.56)
    12.1.3 Handgun + Shotgun
    12.1.4 Handgun + Pistol Caliber Carbine
    12.2 Divisions:
    12.2.1 Unlimited Division:
    12.2.1.1 Unlimited Division Handgun- minimum 9mm
    caliber(9x19mm) and minimum Chrono Factor
    of 125. Allowed are: Optical or Electronic sights,
    flashlights, compensators, barrel porting, and
    slide lightening. No restrictions on capacity,
    accessories, and modifications as long as the
    gun will function safely. The Match Administrator
    and the Match Master will be the judge if any
    accessory or modification is deemed to be
    unsafe and not according to the rules. Rulings
    will be submitted to the PSMOC Secretariat for
    compilation and review.
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    12.2.1.2 Unlimited Division Semi-auto Practical Rimfire
    Rifle - . .22LR caliber with a stock designed
    to be fired from the shoulder that may have an
    Optical or Electronic Sight, flashlight,
    compensator, and bi-pod.
    Accessories and modifications are allowed
    provided the gun will function safely and no
    sound suppressors or silencers are attached to
    prevent the timer from picking up the last shot(s).
    The Match Administrator and the Match Master
    will be the judge if any accessory or modification
    is deemed to be unsafe and not according to the
    rules. Rulings will be submitted to the PRR
    Committee and PSMOC Secretariat for
    compilation and review.
    12.2.1.3 Unlimited Division Semi-auto Sporting
    Rifleminimum .223/5.56 caliber with a stock
    designed to be fired from the shoulder that
    may have an optical or electronic sight,
    flashlight, compensator, and bi- pod. No
    restrictions on accessories and
    modifications as long as the gun will function
    safely. The Match Administrator and the
    Match Master wil be the judge if any
    accessory or modification is deemed to be
    unsafe and not according to the rules.
    Rulings will be submitted to the PSMOC
    Secretariat for compilation and review. Refer
    to Rule 12.6 for restrictions.
    12.2.1.4 Unlimited Division Semi-auto Shotgun –
    minimum of 12 gauge. No restriction on
    accessories and capacity. Shotgun speed
    loaders must have primer relief cuts to avoid
    unintended primer detonation.
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    12.2.1.5 Unlimited Division Semi-auto Pistol Caliber
    Carbine with a stock designed to be fired
    from the shoulder that may have an Optical
    or Electronic Sight, flashlight, laser aiming
    device, porting, and compensator.
    Accessories and modifications are allowed
    provided it will not compromise safety.
    Bump fire stocks or any similar mechanisms
    that will enable the PCC to function in full-
    auto mode are specifically not allowed. No
    magazine capacity restrictions. Approved
    calibers are 9mm, .357 SIG, 40 S&W,
    10mm, .45 ACP.
    12.2.2 Limited Division:
    12.2.2.1 Limited Division Handgun – Stock Hi cap or
    Double Action/Striker Fired with minimum
    Chrono Factor of 125. Not permitted are
    optical or electronic sights, laser aiming
    devices, compensators, barrel porting, and
    suppressors that lessen recoil or muzzle flip.
    12.2.2.2 Limited Division Practical Rimfire Rifle .22LR
    caliber with a stock designed to be fired from
    the shoulder. Iron sights only. Not permitted
    are optical or electronic sights, laser aiming
    devices, compensators that are designed to
    lessen recoil, barrel porting, and sound
    suppressors or silencers that would prevent
    the timer from picking up the last shot(s).
    12.2.2.3 Limited Division Semi-auto Sporting Rifle –
    minimum .223/5.56 caliber with a stock
    designed to be fired from the shoulder.
    Maximum of 30 rounds can be loaded in
    magazines at the start signal. Not permitted
    are optical or electronic sights, laser aiming
    devices, compensators, barrel porting, and
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    suppressors that lessen recoil or muzzle flip.
    Refer to Rule 12.6 for restrictions.
    12.2.2.4 Limited Division Shotgun – minimum of 12
    gauge.Only shotguns with conventional
    tubular magazines are allowed with a
    maximum of Nine(9) shells loaded in the
    shotgun at the start signal. Internal and
    External modifications are allowed as long
    as it does not alter the function and operation
    of the shotgun. Not permitted are: changing
    of barrel length, optical or electronic sights,
    bipods, compensators, barrel porting, and
    speed loaders.
    12.2.2.5 Limited Division Semi-auto Pistol Caliber
    Carbine with a stock designed to be fired
    from the shoulder. Iron sights only. Not
    permitted are optical or electronic sights,
    laser aiming devices, bi-pods and vertical
    front grips. Bump fire stocks or any similar
    mechanisms that will enable the rifle to
    function in full-auto mode are specifically not
    allowed. Maximum magazine capacity is 30
    rounds. In Condition 1, 30 rounds can be
    loaded in the magazine with 1 round in the
    chamber. Approved calibers are 9mm, .357
    SIG, 40 S&W, 10mm, .45 ACP.

    Carry and Storage Protocol of Rifles and Shotguns
    12.7.1 Rifles and Shotguns must always be unloaded
    unless commanded by a serving Match Officer to
    load them within a course of fire.
    12.7.2 Rifles and Shotguns must be carried or
    transported in Condition 3 inside bags or cases.
    When inside the confines of the firing range
    compound, they may be transported un bagged
    and uncased but they should be shouldered or
    slung reasonably/safely vertically upwards or
    downwards or placed in trolleys/ push carts with
    stable racks with the muzzle pointed downwards.
    Chamber safety flags are required when shotguns
    and rifles are transported unbagged and uncased.
    It is prohibited to unbag or uncase shotguns and
    rifles in the parking lot or when outside the
    confines of the firing range compound. Violation
    will be penalized with disqualification from the
    match.
    12.7.3 Only the competitor is allowed to carry or
    transport his rifle if they are not inside cases or
    bags within
    the confines of the firing range. He/she may ask
    his range assistant to transport the rifle or shotgun
    if they are inside bags or cases.
    12.7.4 Match Organizers should provide rifle/shotgun
    racks and adequate tables for pre-loading
    shotguns on every stage.
    12.8 The belt that carries the holster should be at waist level.
    Holsters should securely retain the handgun despite
    dynamic or aggressive movements during the course of
    fire.Thigh holsters are allowed. Competitors with unsafe
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    holsters shall not be allowed to shoot the courses of fire.
    The Match Master will make the decision if a holster will
    be allowed.
    12.9 It is not permitted to draw the holstered handgun while in
    prone position. It is not allowed to go in prone position if
    the holstered handgun is in Condition 1. Violations will be
    penalized with a disqualification.
    12.10 It is not permitted to hold ammo or magazines between
    the command “Standby” and the start signal or beep from
    the timer. However, it is permitted to carry spare
    ammunition or magazines anywhere on the competitor’s
    person.
    12.11 Metal piercing, incendiary, tracer, and ammunition with 2
    or more projectiles are not allowed.
    12.12 Range Commands for 2-Gun matches are similar to those
    used for Handgun Matches with the following additional
    points and specific commands:
    12.12.1 “Make Ready”, will announce the start of the
    course of fire. After this command, the Match
    Officer will supervise the competitor in the
    preparation and proper positioning of the
    handgun and rifle as specified in the briefing.
    12.12.1.1 In 2-Gun Matches, a competitor may be
    required to abandon or properly”dump” the
    rifle or handgun at a certain portion of the
    course of fire and safely put it in a retention
    device in its proper ready condition
    (Condition 1) or completely unloaded (
    Condition 3).
    12.12.1.2 A competitor may handle the next firearm to
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    be used for the succeeding array of targets
    while in the process of abandoning the
    firearm that was initially used in the first part
    the course of fire but he may not engage
    any target while he is handling both
    firearms. Violations will be penalized with
    match disqualification.
    12.12.2 “Are You Ready” - The Match Officer will
    assume that the competitor is ready if he will
    not give a negative verbal response like “No”
    or “ Not Ready” or a hand signal by raising
    his hand.
    12.12.3 “Standby” - The competitor must remain
    relatively still maintaining the required start
    position until he hears the start signal or
    beep/tone from the timer within 2 to 4
    seconds depending upon the electronic
    timer used and its setting.
    12.12.4 “Tone or Beep from the timer” – At the sound of
    the tone or beep from the timer, the
    competitor may now move and/or draw his
    gun or handle the rifle depending upon the
    start position stipulated in the briefing and
    shoot the targets in any order according to
    his style or strategy within the bounds of the
    safety rules and the requirements of the
    course of fire. This signifies the start of the
    course of fire.
    12.12.5 “Stop” – The Match Officer may issue this
    command at any time during the course of
    fire. The competitor should immediately
    stop moving and shooting and point the gun
    in a safe direction and follow further
    instructions of the Match Officer.
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    12.12.6 “If You Are Finished, Unload and Show Clear” -
    The competitor should first remove the
    magazine and eject the round in the
    chamber then hold the bolt open to give the
    Match Officer a clear view that the chamber
    is empty. This should be done while the
    firearm is pointed in a safe direction
    downrange.
    12.12.7 “If Clear, Hammer Down, Holster” For
    Handgun.The Match Officer and competitor
    must inspect the chamber to make sure that
    the gun is clear before giving the command
    Hammer Down, Holster.
    12.12.7.1 “If Clear, Hammer Down, Flag”. If
    the last firearm used is a rifle or shotgun this
    will be the command. The competitor will not
    continue shooting at any target after
    issuance of this command. If the gun is
    clear, the competitor should open the
    chamber then the Match Officer will insert
    the chamber safety flag while the rifle is
    pointed in a safe direction. Violation will be
    match disqualification.
    The competitor under the supervision of the
    Match Officer will then proceed to the
    location of the abandoned handgun carrying
    the rifle or Shotgun reasonably vertically
    upwards. Upon reaching the location and
    after verifying that the range is clear the
    Match Officer will issue the command
    “Unload and Show Clear”, the competitor will
    then handle the abandoned firearm and
    remove the magazine and eject the
    ammunition inside the chamber while
    pointing the firearm in a safe direction. Once
    the Match Officer
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    ascertains that the firearm is clear, he will
    issue the command “If Clear, Hammer Down
    Holster”. It shall be the responsibility of the
    competitor to ensure that the firearm is clear
    even though the MatchOfficer did his best to
    make sure it is so.
    12.12.8 “Range Is Clear” - The Match Officer will now
    record the time on the score sheet, tablet
    or i-pad and the competitor and Match
    Officers/scorer may now move towards the
    targets to verify the hits. This signifies the
    end of the Course of fire.
    12.13 Calling or Shouting “Hits” by the Match Officer on fixed
    metal targets where hits can be visually verified will
    not be considered as interference or coaching.
    12.14 If a competitor, who is a regular personnel of the PNP,
    AFP, and law enforcement officer of a
    NALECCmember agency, is using a rifle with burst or
    automatic fire capability and he shoots at a target or
    targets using burst or automatic fire, he will be
    immediately stopped and given a warning. The
    competitor will be ordered to re-shoot the stage.
    Second violation in the same stage or in the
    succeeding stages will mean disqualification from the
    match.
    12.15 Abandoning a loaded firearm in the retention device with
    the safety off will be penalized with plus 10 seconds.
    In the case of Double Action pistols, the hammer may
    be de cocked and for Selective Action Pistols, the
    safety could be engaged with the hammer cocked to
    avoid penalty. An accidental discharge
    while in the process of abandoning the firearm will
    be penalized with a disqualification.
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    12.16 A competitor will be disqualified if he abandons the
    firearm outside the retention device if he fails to
    maintain a 1 meter distance from the firearm or if he
    dropped the firearm. Retention devices should be
    capable of securing the firearm in a safe and stable
    position and orientation e.g. boxes for handguns and
    tubes or barrels for rifles. They should be positioned
    and oriented so that no person will pass in front of the
    muzzle of the firearm.
    12.17 Only one handgun, one rifle, or one shotgun will be
    allowed during a course of fire. Violations will be
    penalized with disqualification from the match.
    12.18 Failure to shoot a target will be penalized with a
    Procedural Penalty of +2 seconds.
    12.19 In 2-Gun matches, a hit on a target board with the wrong
    firearm will not be scored and the corresponding
    penalties will be applied as necessary. A hit on a
    falling metal target with the wrong firearm will be
    penalized with a Procedural Penalty of +2 seconds or
    -10 points in the Points Factor method and applicable
    penalty for Misses of +3 seconds per Miss or -10
    points per Miss in the Points Factor method.
    12.20 In case of a tie between competitors who are eligible for
    awards, the competitor with the higher number of
    Alpha hits will be declared winner. If a tie still remains,
    the competitor who has the faster time in Stage 1 will
    be the winner. If a tie still remains, they will be asked
    to shoot a course of fire not necessarily one of the
    courses in the match to break the tie to be determined
    by the Match Master in consultation with the Match
    Administrator.
    12.21 Falling Metal Targets should be calibrated with factory
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    .22 LR ammunition for Handgun+ Practical .22LR
    Rifle (Mini Rifle) 2-Gun matches, and 9mm
    ammunition with a power factor of 120 for Handgun +
    HPR and Handgun + Shotgun 2-Gun matches.
    12.22 For 2-Gun matches, it should be specified in the written
    stage briefing which targets are to be engaged with
    the handgun, with the rifle and with the shotgun; the
    starting position and condition of the handgun and
    rifle; and the position of the retention devices for
    abandoned firearms.
    12.23 For safety reasons, the handgun will not start in
    condition 1 holstered, if it will not be the first firearm
    to be used in the course of fire.
    12.24 If the course of fire requires that the rifle to be slung
    on the shoulders, it should be reasonably vertically
    upwards and the condition of the rifle should be
    Condition 3.
    12.25 All other standard competition rules contained in the
    Handgun rules will also be applied to 2-Gun matches
    and vice versa. In case of conflict, the specific rules
    for 2-Gun matches will prevail
  • ^
    Link mo na lang paps ang haba sayang thread hehe. Anyway marunong akong maglinis ng baril kumpleto ako sa gamit but tamad ako dahil after range busy na ako. Gaya nga ng sabi ko pag hindi ko pa nililinis at let say puputok ako bukas yung barrel spray ko lang ballistol then patch at last bore snake tapos yung slide or moving parts patakan ko lang ng oil(lube).
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  • @vladz
    thats the only basic rules command category division 2 gun competition rules,some shooters dont know that,so im sharing,yup its a long thread but shooters must understand and read it,if they join competition matches,i know vladz you dont join matches but maybe in the future you might join ,its for all,as a MATCH OFFICER ,i want the safety and to assist shooters , audience and spectator.
    you may be dont know what im saying but its our duty as m.o.is for the safety of the shooters,if you vladz is/was inside the firing range and im in, i can assist you if you ask,and i can warn you if i saw violation doing inside the firing range,so if you re inside a firing range and you saw range officer or match officer,you must follow rules even though it is not a competition match,the job of range officer and match officer in uniform is the safety and to assist shooters that is our concern.so if you violate and doesnt obey, r.o. and m.o. can ban you from the range as unsportmanship conduct , well there is also rule you can USPSA RULES you can discipline match officer section 7.2.1 ,7.2.3,7.2.4
  • all shooters who are inside the firing range ,may not know the all the rules,you can read it this web page PSMOC RULES
    <click here for link>
    IF you read rules and do not understand, you can always ask range officer or match officer who is near you and can assist you,im a match officer i can assist you too , i dont memorize all the rules and like other r.o and m.o. but if we read the rule book, we can share and explain what it is, not all r.o's and m.o's bring rule book inside the range, but me , i do always bring the rule book inside the range,so if there are question and need to be answer ,i always base my answer and read what is inside the rule book , remember r.o. and m.o. are the KINGof the Firing range,but outside, we are ordinary people like you. as a match officer we are always marunong ng PAKIKISAMAwe respect shooters ,they can biro us, but not below the belt,huwag sosobra sa biro, ganun din sa shooters,pwedeng pag usapan tungkol sa chicks ,yan gusto gusto ng mga shooters yan, pero bawal bastusan,biro biroan lang,pero kapag pumuputok na dapat siryoso na at baka ma disqualified ka ng front m.o.
    bawal ang lasheng kapag pumuputok ,nasa rules yan pwede kang paalisin at pauwiin sa firing range kapag amoy alak ka, pero kapag tapos na ang putukan ,pwede naman mag inuman ,kasama pa dyan mga match official na tinatawag ng m.o. nights me kantahan kung me videoke,kwentuhan , minsan sayawan,kaso bawal ngayun dahil pandemic ,before wala pa ang pandemic ,masaya mga match official kasi bonding time yan nila at mga shooters. me fund yan kapag m.o. night, libre inuman and pulutan,dyan lang bumabawi mga match official for serving free the whole day,so kapag break time na, pagbigyan nyo naman mga m.o. na kumain , dahil gutom at pagod mga yan sa pag se serve.remember we serve for free at habol lang namin ay puntos sa pag seserve para ma maintain ang membership as m.o. sa psmoc me minimum required points kami to serve

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  • ^
    Well agree ako dyan sa safety ng public range kahit ako gusto ko yung may range officer na nag iikot sa public range para sa safety. Dahil may mga gun owners na alam lang mag press ng trigger but pag nag malfunction na hindi na alam ang gagawin. Nag join din ako dito sa US ng club puro pilipino mga dating pulis at sundalo sa pinas but mga nurse na dito may competition din but hindi na rin ako active dahil nag iba ako ng sched sa work at ngayon pandemic sobrang busy talaga.
  • @vladz
    im just a new m.o.sabi ko sayu sir,nag front ako sa debugging sa sa battle of the gun club 2021 last Dec. tiga CSG , a Genaral, stage 9 ,4 plates mga 7 meters away from the target , nauubos ang magazines hinde tinamaan yung 4 steel plates . naubos na ang bala , then I command if your finish show clear,hammer down, holster, kinasusap ko ng mahinahon , he was a left handed shooter like me,sabi ko sir, medyo nahirapan po ba tayung tumama sa steel plates? sabi niya yes sir,I said,pwede po bang malaman kung ano po gamit nyong pang sipat or pangsilip sa rear and front sight ?he told me he was using his right eye . then I told him, sir ako po kasi parehong po tayung kaliwete, before po ang gamit kong pang sipat eh kanan, ang turo po sa akin ng instructor sa gun shooting, kung ano ang po gamit nyong strong hand left or right ,yun din po ang gagamitin sa pang silip sa rear and front sight ng baril,hinde po ako tumama tama sa target, so yung nagturo po sa amin dapat kaliwang mata ang gagamitin kung kaliwete,kung kanan eh kana mata po ang gagamitin, huwag po kayung ma ooffend sir , i -share ko lang po ang mga itunuro sa amin.then the general napaisip,so he maybe nagisip kung tama ba yung sinabi ko sa kanya, then he proceed to the next stage,there were steel plates target too. i was also the front match official that time, kasi konti lang kaming match official that time , i think 3 lang kami,we follow the shooters on all stages,the general is on deck and ready to shoot, i command , MAKE READY, ARE YOU READY?, STAND BY,BEEP the general shoots the targets, i was surprise he hits ALL the steel plates. i was very happy that time, cause i think the general listen to my advice and help another fellow shooter.at the registration ,
    PRESIDENT of the gun club have heard and seen what ive done to that stage,he told me, you front m.o. ,do not advice a shooter who is shooting at the stage, you can only give advice , upon request of the shooter,i told pres, sir, i only want to help ,yes i know Pres. told me,you dont know what will be the reaction of the shooter if you give him advice ,if he didnt ask or request for your advice,
    oww, so another lesson learned from our Pres.so next time ,i will not give advice to a shooter who is on deck and shooting targets,if he didnt ask seek for advice.

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  • I think number 1 kaya rin hindi tumatama sa bulls eye lahat ng bagong shooter dumaan dito anyway bago nila kalabitin trigger recoil muna nasa utak nila kaya pumitlag or gumalaw na yung baril bago kalabitin trigger. Subukan mong lagyan ng snap caps yung magazine or importante dry firing para mamaster ang trigger.
  • importante dry firing para mamaster ang trigger.


    correct! dapat ma master mo yung kung nasan yung wall at reset ng baril mo ayoko ng baril na may take up at creep
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  • correct! dapat ma master mo yung kung nasan yung wall at reset ng baril mo ayoko ng baril na may take up at creep

    muscle memory,kahit nakapikit ka,kabisado mo na dapat yan,insert /release magazine ,proper eye sight rear front sight alignment at the targets,proper grip pistol handling,proper shooting position(standing, prone,sitting,kneeling)para maiba try mo din nakahiga at nakadapa mwehehehehe,kunwari ,scenario me katabi kang bebot,biglang nagkaputukan,ano gagawin mo?----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------simple lang punasan mo ng tissue or tuwalya,mwehehehehehehe ay ibang putukan pala yun------------------------------ganyan kaming mga m.o. kung mag joke.............me konting green, kasi kapag masyadong siryoso shooter natatawa kami...este ako pala,.....lalo na kapag hinde tumama tama sa target............. di na nga kami minsan sumisIgaw ng VERIFY sa shooter kasi NAKAKAHIYAsisigawan na lang SHOOTERkinakawayan ko nalang at sesenyas ng miss and thumbs up
  • imple lang punasan mo ng tissue or tuwalya,mwehehehehehehe ay ibang putukan pala yun------------------------------ganyan kaming mga m.o. kung mag joke.............me konting green, kasi kapag masyadong siryoso shooter natatawa kami...este ako pala,.....lalo na kapag hinde tumama tama sa target............. di na nga kami minsan sumisIgaw ng VERIFY sa shooter kasi NAKAKAHIYAsisigawan na lang SHOOTERkinakawayan ko nalang at sesenyas ng miss and thumbs up


    LooooooooooooL
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  • minor upgrade din my recce rifle build


  • @mike
    na putok mo nayan? sali ka 2 gun course
  • @mike
    na putok mo nayan? sali ka 2 gun course


    yup sent you the vid sa FB




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  • ^
    Diamondback ba rifle mo paps?
  • Diamondback ba rifle mo paps?


    American build customs "ABC" local manufacturer sa vegas

    <click here for link>
  • @myke

    kaya palang bawal 5.56 dito ,dahil pala sa marawi siege kasi high power gun nakita me mga ammo na galing armscor na gamit ng mga kalaban pinang gagamit sa mga sundalo, depende na yan sa admin,if next govt na bago ang uupo,kung papayagan na ulit yun
  • @myke

    kaya palang bawal 5.56 dito ,dahil pala sa marawi siege kasi high power gun nakita me mga ammo na galing armscor na gamit ng mga kalaban pinang gagamit sa mga sundalo, depende na yan sa admin,if next govt na bago ang uupo,kung papayagan na ulit yun


    pano naman yung rights to bear arms to protect you and your family dapat ilaban ng mga gun clubs yan hindi na kasalanan ng armscor yan ang kriminal ay kriminal legal or illegal na bala hahanap sila ng paraan
  • pano naman yung rights to bear arms to protect you and your family dapat ilaban ng mga gun clubs yan hindi na kasalanan ng armscor yan ang kriminal ay kriminal legal or illegal na bala hahanap sila ng paraan

    hinde kasalanan ng armscor yan,kasi sila nagbebenta lang ng ammo,yung kumuha nyan at malamang inside job ,ayaw ko lang mag salita,baka ako pa paginitan,kawawa nga mga nasa field na sundalo,nag papakahirap makipag laban ,tapos malalaman na ang gamit na bala galing sa loob ng arsenal,syiempre magtataka sila paano nagkaroon ng armscor na bala ?eh supply din nila yun,
    naku mahirap magsalita, daming anti pro gun,puro batikos sa mga gun community,kesyo ayaw ng violence ,againts sa human rights kasi me baril,kaya nga kawawa dyan yung mga responsible gun owners,kasi hinde makagalaw dahil daming against,hinde kasi naisip nung mga anti pro,na meron din responsible gun owners, generalize agad eh,violente me mga guns. hinde pa kasi malamang nag kakaexperience na mapasukan ng masamang loob sa bahay or dinuro at tinakot ng kung sino mang me mga baril within the area,like nangyari sa akin,me siga siga ,naghihihinge ng paleta ,hinde lang napagbigyan ,pag balik hawak granada,at ipakikita sa harap mo at pa itsa itsa pa kala mo juggler,sabi huy, baka sumabog yan,ang sabi pinapakita ko lang sayu, kala nya siguro maduduro nya ako,kaya nga ako sumali sa gun club dahil duun,ng mabalitaan siguro new's flys ,,,na shooter ako, aba sumasaludo pa kapag nasasalubong ako, dehins ko pansin,pa boss boss pa,kako bulong ko sa sarile ko, ulitin mo ginawa mo sa akin,lintik lang sa pagitan ng mata tama ng bala nya.ganito kasi sa lugar namin, kapag mabait ka umaabuso,mabait ako sa mabait,pero once na umabuso ka ,hinde kita tatantanan,hinde ako takot mamatay,kung oras ko oras ko,kung me baril ka at nagkita tayu at ako ay kargado,uunahan na kita,hinde baleng makulong ako, kesa ako naman nag nakakulong sa kabaong.disiplinado ako sa lugar ko, ni minsan hinde ako nagpakita na ako ay kargado,me holster ako pero walang kargadong baril ,fast rig ika nga ,hinde ko pinapakita yung baril ko, pero alam ng mga kapitbahay meron ako.hinde lang nila alam kung anong klase.
  • @ axel

    i agree 100% "we are the weapon" guns are tools at hindi dapat nililimit ng government.
  • Mga kasabihan ngang

    "Guns Don’t Kill People, People Do”

    “It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it”
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  • @ axel

    paps san ka bumibili ng airsoft? gusto ko bilhan tito ko dyan sa pinas nung nandyan ako lagi kami nag piplinking lol
  • paps san ka bumibili ng airsoft? gusto ko bilhan tito ko dyan sa pinas nung nandyan ako lagi kami nag piplinking lol

    ke mavs hobby shop sa sampaloc maceda st.
    flinching?
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  • GUN SAFETY SEMINAR and proper aiming of gun

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