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pbatacan
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23 Jan 20 @ 04:15 PM #
ano recommended ninyo na ATX casing na madaming pwede i accept na hdd? currently using an old school lianli pc-60 plus all aluminum casing. currently may 12 drives ako but i want to use a newer casing that can accommodate my ATX board
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Bravoexo
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24 Jan 20 @ 06:00 AM #
Probably one of Thermaltake case that has that straight row of drives on the front. (Core V71) or a Core W200?
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alaeh
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24 Jan 20 @ 06:12 PM #
FYI, there's an open box sale happening now in Newegg (US only) so if anyone is looking to setup a NAS using Xeon or Epyc based components, now might be your chance.
I've seen a few Mni-ITX and MATX form factor server boards.. I was hoping to catch a good deal on those Asrock Rack boards with embedded Xeon D proc and SFP+ but they're expensive still for my liking even with the sale :)
-- edited by alaeh on Jan 24 2020, 06:12 PM
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alaeh
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02 Feb 20 @ 01:30 PM #
UPDATE
Have recently added a Quadro P2000 to my build for Plex transcoding. Found a great deal here in TPC
So far i've put together a basic running build.. currently testing on UNRAID although I still have not committed to the disks I want to use.
Pulled from Dell T420
8 x 480GB SSD for storage and parity
1 X DC P3700 800GB for Caching
I want to use Ultrastars but not sure if I can benefit from their performance much given the nature of how UNRAID stores parity information which tend to favor storage capacity rather than performance. Although SSD Caching does seem to help as I'm able to do average 650-900MB transfer rates out of the box with no tuning yet.
10GBE Read and Write Performance
-- edited by alaeh on Feb 02 2020, 01:32 PM
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alaeh
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06 Feb 20 @ 01:46 AM #
UPDATE #2
Wasn't too happy with UNRAID's performance considering it is a paid software but can't really fault it because it never claimed to be a good NAS. I think UNRAID shines more as a hypervisor than a NAS.
Anyhow, I took a different.. and cheaper route... I decided to go with Proxmox because it supports hardware passthrough which allows the VMs or containers to manage resources directly so that it will work as close to native performance
It took a bit more work and some sleepless nights but given the wealth of information available online nowadays I was able to install both FreeNAS and Plex
Server running on Centos.
Using Proxmox, I was able to assign physical disks to FreeNAS could it manage directly and I showered it with lots of ECC RAM. Unlike UNRAID, FreeNAS performs better if you give it more RAM. I get way better transfer speeds even without the benefit of NVME for caching
As for Plex on Centos with GPU passthrough, took a bit more work. First, all my media are on FreeNAS so I had to mount it via CIFS to CentOS and setup
some scripts for it to remount each time the VM is rebooted.
Also, I wanted the Quadro P2000 GPU to do all the heavy lifting ie encoding and decoding so I had get it to use FFMPEG othewise the CPU will still share with some of the heavy lifting.
The result is quite actually satisfying. I'm able to run 3 concurrent Plex streams each forcing the P2000 to transcode 4K to 1080P and my CPU utilization
is barely 20% considering I only assigned the CentOS VM 2 cores to play with.
Same goes for FreeNAS, by assigning it only 2 CPUs, I'm still able to get close to 10Gbe transfer speeds.
Quadro P2000 doing the heavy lifting
FreeNAS file transfer performance
What's inside U-NAS case
-- edited by alaeh on Feb 06 2020, 01:47 AM
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polka
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06 Feb 20 @ 08:04 AM #
FreeNAS performs better if you give it more RAM.
well given how ZFS works, that is expected.
FreeNAS so I had to mount it via CIFS to CentOS and setup
some scripts for it to remount each time the VM is rebooted.
setup a NFS share and mount it using mount command, if you want it mounted at boot, just put it on fstab :)
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polka
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19 Apr 20 @ 12:02 PM #
WD is using SMR drives on some of their RED series mainly found in 2-6TB RED Drives, more users is now looking at this for now specially in reddit if it exist on other drive lineups as well.
<click here for link>
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MrBungle
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19 Apr 20 @ 12:55 PM #
WD Red EFAX 256mb - SMR
WD Red EFRX 64mb - CMR
buti nalang EFRX yung mga sa akin.
Seagate Ironwolf, as of now, lahat CMR
-- edited by MrBungle on Apr 19 2020, 01:01 PM
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polka
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19 Apr 20 @ 01:34 PM #
^kakatawa nga lang yung statement ng WD about it, gumawa pa sila ng bagong term for it.
in short na-implement nila yung SSD-ish kind of setup where theres a fast NAND flash and a slow one. they basically done the same thing with their WD Reds.
unfortunately lahat ng WD RED 4TB ko is SMR.
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MrBungle
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19 Apr 20 @ 02:46 PM #
^ninerbyos ako nung nabasa ko yung report.
Chineck ko agad yung sa akin.
Tapos nabasa ko sa reddit yung info regarding yung difference ng mga 256mb vs 64mb WD Red models.
Kung wala lang pandemic ngayon, baka ma-class-action suit ang WD dahil diyan.
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PyroclasticFlo
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19 Apr 20 @ 02:52 PM #
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/g3oxrw/wd_blue_new_2018_line_models_explained_smr_greens/
Save ko muna para malaman kung anong klaseng mga drive.
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asintado08_new
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19 Apr 20 @ 05:05 PM #
buti na lang hindi kasama mga HDD ko.
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gabotron
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20 Apr 20 @ 06:29 AM #
I wonder if apektado ng SMR drives ang JBOD + SnapRAID setups during a rebuild. Tanggap ko pa kung slow performance lang. Pero kung masisipa ang drive while rebuilding, then useless ang redundancy ko.
Nung lumabas ang issue sa r/DataHoarder, puro ZFS and Synology RAID setups ang mga nabasa kong comments. May nabasa nga rin akong firmware bug with 10TB Ironwolves getting kicked out of the array during resilvering. Unfortunately, di masyadong common ang pseudo RAID setups dun.
Ito ang current pools ko:
WholesomePool:
8TB Red WD80EFAX-68L - data1
6TB Ironwolf ST6000VN0041-2EL11C - data2
8TB RedWD80EFZX-68U - data3
8TB WD80EFAX-68L - data4
8TB WD80EFZX-68U - parity1
PornoPool:
3TB Barracuda ST3000DM001-1CH166 - data1
4TB Barracuda ST4000DM000-2AE166 - data2
4TB ST4000DM000-1F2168 - data3
4TB ST4000DM000-1F2168 - data4
6TB Ironwolf ST6000VN0041-2EL11C - parity1
Ang balak ko sana this year, mag-add ng 3 x 8TB WD80EFAX and combine the 2 Pools into 1. Then, lalagyan ko ng 3 parity drives. So, 3 parity disks nalang instead of 2 pools x 2 parity each. This way, makakatipid ako ng isang disk. 15 disks lang ang max capacity ko, excluding the SSD for the OS.
WholesomePornoPool:
8TB WD80EFAX-68L - data1
6TB ST6000VN0041-2EL11C - data2
8TB WD80EFZX-68U - data3
8TB WD80EFAX - new_data4
8TB WD80EFAX - new_data5
3TB ST3000DM001-1CH166 - data6
4TB ST4000DM000-2AE166 - data7
4TB ST4000DM000-1F2168 - data8
4TB ST4000DM000-1F2168 - data9
6TB ST6000VN0041-2EL11C - data10
8TB WD80EFZX-68U - parity1
8TB WD80EFAX-68L - parity2
8TB WD80EFAX - new_parity3
But if rebuilding a single array poses more risks, then stick to current setup nalang siguro ako with dual parity each.
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MrBungle
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20 Apr 20 @ 09:55 AM #
Nabasa ko sa synology website na kung all smr hdds yung array, walang issue yung rebuild pero may risk pag mix ng cmr at smr.
-- edited by MrBungle on Apr 20 2020, 09:56 AM
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polka
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23 Apr 20 @ 09:46 AM #
WD's pathetic responce for the SMR drives
<click here for link>
tl;dr, get the expensive stuff if you dont want SMR........ are f***king kidding me.
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Nixus123
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15 May 20 @ 05:34 PM #
sir pwede magtanong about sa freenas? nag lalag kasi ung usb boot drive ko once nasa bios na, ano kaya problem,?
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Deadmau5
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18 May 20 @ 09:39 AM #
Hi! hingi lang sana ako idea about sa bubuo-in kong "server"?
budget wise sana, ung pinaka mura since basic operations lang naman gagawin ko.
operations na gagawin ko is :
local file and media server - dyan ko ilalagay ung mga libraries ko like music, movies and pictures, and para ma stream ko sa phone ko and sa tv namin na upnp enabled lang.
meron ako rito router (asus ac68u) pero di ako satisfied sa performance nya, may idling kasi, gusto ko seamless ung pag browse ko sa library ko and gusto ko rin i offload ung router ko.
raspberry pi 4b ung plano ko pero nasa 4k, nagiisip ako kung 2nd hand na pc na lang pero di ko alam kung anong specs ung swak sa hanap ko, kasi plano ko i 24/7 ung server pero at the same time power efficient din sana kasi di naman ganun ka intensive ung gagawin ko.
- wala talaga akong idea kung saan ako mag start pero ayan ung mga keypoints ko.
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sephy
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18 May 20 @ 04:02 PM #
question mga sir if plex server running sa win10 anung magandang backup or redundancy ? thanks
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STASIS
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18 May 20 @ 06:45 PM #
planning to build a free nas setup using old parts here... so safe na i assume na seagate ironwolfs are better to use now instead of wd reds?... planning to get a 6tb seagate ironwolf kasi...
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leviscornejo
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27 May 20 @ 12:01 AM #
since media storage is napaka critical satin at dahil di nmn mabilis ang internet or walang fiber coverage hingi sana ako advice din kung pano tama setup or ano ba dapat ang requirement para sa low budget DiY (cheapest as possible) Hard drives pwede ko dagdagan every other month.
meron ako 2 old pc parts my silbi pa kaya ito or dispose ko na lng ?
Intel Rig
Q8200 C2Q
4gb DDR3 1333MHZ
9500gt
AMD Rig
A4 6300
4gb DDR3 1866mhz
if pasok sila it would be great para ma reuse ko sila..
also. how fast could it be ?
kailangan ba lahat wired connection to fully utilize ang media storage?
i tried the most basic sa isang network via Win10 > Give Access
pero grabe ang bagal eh masbilis pa mg download ulit ng bagong file.
correct me im wrong if my tamang way ba sa pag build ng NAS. Yes i know my youtube pero laaht makita ko puro highend special overseas,,
Aware din ako sa FREENAS software pero decent parts nmn gamit nila..
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polka
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27 May 20 @ 08:19 AM #
^ forget windows.
try using XPEnology. I think it will make a difference, wag mo na gamitin yung Q8200 mo due to power efficiency issue and also IPC, just stick with your A4 6300 instead.
in my test I was able to max out the gigabit connection using a A10-8800E (biostar motherboard itx soc based) about 109-110MB sec read and write, with all 4 drives configured as synology hybrid raid. It can push it to 210MB/sec if you add a dual port intel nic on it in LAG setup.
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leviscornejo
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28 May 20 @ 06:04 PM #
^ XPEnology, is like an OS like FREENAS sir? Sorry Zero knowledge ako sa NAS setup..
for effiency sapat na ung AMD APU ko, hindi ba Procie Hunger ang streaming and NAS ?
when you say Gigabit Connection, pano ba tamang topology na makatotohan? Wifi Streaming possible ba at 2.4ghz ? across all device? or need tlga lahat naka gigabit LAN(wired) connection sir ?
Sorry sa mga tanong. gusto ko din po matuto ng ganitong setup to secure my files
Bonus Question : Eventually i'll be investing more HDD, so first gamitin ko muna old drives ko, at isang bnew HDD for NAS setup model ok lang ba ung ganun ? then my if im not mistaken anong RAID ba ung maganda at tama? parang my nabasa ako nun na meron rait or parity na kahit my masira na isang hdd pwede mo hotswap lang at mg rerebuild ang data ?
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polka
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30 May 20 @ 12:39 PM #
^yep its like freenas but it is more cater for casual users, in fact once you get XPEnology running on your system, you can just follow any Synology specific tutorial, it should work as if you owned a Synology NAS. as of usability of its UI, well if you know how to use windows, it should be the same here. the web interface of synlogy is like a desktop interface of a computer.
for processor, for IO task, that processor is more than enough (eg storing and accessing files on it) but there are some apps/plugins that is processor dependent like plex, so the faster your processor is, the better. but to be honest it should be fine even with plex, at least makaka stream kapa naman ng 2-3 videos on it at 1080p transcoding no problemo.
for wired connection, make sure that your router/switch is gigabit capable, you certainly dont want a 100mbit switch/router or else stuck ka lang sa 10MB/sec transfer rate, for wifi, yes you can stream over it, to an extent. I think 2.4ghz most of the time can only transfer data as fast as 3MB/sec, its really slow so if your trying to stream a 4k movie, it will stutter/buffer a lot so go get it connected to 5g wifi instead or wired for much better speed.
for your RAID setup, just choose synology hybrid raid. you can actually add as many drives as you want on it, without doing too much about it except adding that drive as a member to your SHR and your pool will get additional space on the added drive. for parity, make sure you at least have 1 parity drive, you will loose 1 drive worth of space but at least you wont loose any data in case on of your drives fail, you can also set 2 parity drives so you can survive upto 2 drive failure without data loss.
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leviscornejo
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01 Jun 20 @ 02:27 PM #
^ @Polka
Thank you very much for all the info will study first the OS and application to build it. thanks a lot sir !
i see so it would be better to go wired or have a 5ghz wifi set up.
will double check all of this din before buying parts to built it. thanks !
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alaeh
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09 Jun 20 @ 04:05 PM #
Posting some parts for my upcoming ultra-lowpower 10Gbe FreeNAS DR build using Pentium D1508 SOC (25W)... still waiting for my 8-bay enclosure to arrive.
Pentium D1508 with 64GB DDR4 ECC RDIMM
https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X10SDV-2C-TLN2F
Mikrotik 10GBASE-T Transceivers
-- edited by alaeh on Jun 09 2020, 04:07 PM
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sausuke11
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12 Jun 20 @ 07:02 AM #
guys any suggestion ng online backup na ginagamit nyo na mura lang bayad? thanks in advance sa mag susuggest
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MrBungle
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12 Jun 20 @ 09:34 AM #
Backblaze. Unlimited data for $60/year per computer.
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pepspeps
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12 Jun 20 @ 10:05 AM #
sausuke11 on 12 Jun 20 @ 07:02 AM
guys any suggestion ng online backup na ginagamit nyo na mura lang bayad? thanks in advance sa mag susuggest
I've been paying for more than 2 years for my Backblaze B2 and Synology Cloud C2 subscriptions to backup important files from my NAS. I have around 290GB of data uploaded on each service.
Backblaze B2: Average $0.99 monthly
Synology Cloud C2: €24.99 yearly
If you're backing up computers, Backblaze Personal Backup is unlimited at $60 yearly.
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sausuke11
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12 Jun 20 @ 10:18 AM #
@pepspeps
Thanks sir check ko sila.
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alaeh
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14 Jun 20 @ 09:42 PM #
Finally assembled my FreeNAS DR Server. Was hoping to get another U-NAS enclosure but they seem to have stopped making them.
* NB8 case with 300W 1U Flex PSU
* Supermicro X10DSV-2C-TLN2F (Pentium D1508, 2x10GBASE-T ports)
* 4 x 16GB DDR4 ECC RDIMMs
* HP SAS-2308 8i HBA
-- edited by alaeh on Jun 14 2020, 09:42 PM
