Ask ko lang if okay or possible ang setup na 2 split type inverter sa isang compressor lang connected?
kapag multisplit may kanya kanyang compressor
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kapag multisplit may kanya kanyang compressor
Multisplit pala tawag dun. Hahaha advisable kaya sya na pang bahay?
Ganito kasi yung balak:
2nd Floor - Split type + outdoor unit (Balcony)
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Hi All,
If we are using the aircon within 18 to 20 hours a day? mas ma maximize ba namin ang Inverter Aircon?
Mas matipid po ba sa kuryente? or minimal lang ang difference sa bill dahil mahaba ang oras ng usage?
Currently we are using for almost a month na, non inverter aircon. Pag nag add sa bill ng more than 2k, mag inverter nako :) -
@leejeans
Matipid po ang inverter aircon, pero dapat akma ang hp ng inverter aircon sa room size. Kasi po kung masyadong malaki ang room size tapos undersized/underpowered ang inverter ac, hindi titigil ang compressor, at tataas ang konsumo.
State nyo po room size nyo, ilang tao sa room, appliances o other heat sources. May post din dito tungkol sa equivalent hp for certain room sizes. Pa backread po.
Sa case ko po, noong month ng april, 120kwh ang naconsume ko for 24 days of operation. Yung 24 days of operation ay halos katumbas ng 20 hours per day of operation.
24 days times 24 hours per day = 576 hours
30 days times 20 hours per day = 600 hours
120kwh x 10pesos per kwh = 1200pesos, yan po
Settings ko ay 26degrees cool mode low fan
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Hi All,
If we are using the aircon within 18 to 20 hours a day? mas ma maximize ba namin ang Inverter Aircon?
Mas matipid po ba sa kuryente? or minimal lang ang difference sa bill dahil mahaba ang oras ng usage?
Currently we are using for almost a month na, non inverter aircon. Pag nag add sa bill ng more than 2k, mag inverter nako :)
Sabihin na natin na iset natin sa temp na 24 degrees celsius and parehong 1.5HP na unit.
If you run a conventional A/C for 10 hours a day, that would equate to around 1200-1300 watts of continuous usage or 12kwh per day. Average would be around P120 per day or additional P3600 sa electric bill.
If you run an inverter unit sabihin natin window type na ang common EER is 12 pataas and run it for 18 HOURS a day, it will use around 1100 watts for the first few minutes (15-30 minutes give and take) then it will throttle down and run at a range of 350-580 watts in a continuous cycle and as per experience with my unit, I average around 400w/h so ilagay na natin sa 400. Multiply that by 17.5 hours plus add the first 30 minutes running at 1100 watts you get 0.55kwh so total mo would be around 7.55kwh. Given average Meralco rates, average would be around P75 a day or additional P2250 sa electric bill.
Now setting the math aside, ano mas gusto mo nagbabayad ka ng additional na P3600 sa electric bill pero 10 hours ka lang super komportable or nagbabayad ka ng additional na P2250 sa electric bill pero 18 hours ka namang super komportable?
"Mahal kasi ng inverter na aircon unit kumpara sa non-inverter. Halos limang libo ang difference" as per my condo neighbor from a different floor. After a brief stay at our unit, ayun grabe ang buyer's remorse. She bought a 1HP non inverter unit "inverter grade daw" whilst I bought a 1.5HP inverter. Price difference of 8k pero mas matipid naman ako sa kuryente ng mahigit 1.5k kumpara sa kanya. -
Maraming Salamat - Kompressor at timespiral.
Pa sked nako ng installation ng Inverter Split type.
The next 1 million question is - anong brand? :)
Salamat po uli -
kapag multisplit may kanya kanyang compressor
I think multisplit has only one compressor built in one outdoor unit (condenser), with multiple indoor unit attached to it.
Multisplit pala tawag dun. Hahaha advisable kaya sya na pang bahay?
For me hindi sya advisable at all. Kapag nasira outdoor unit nyan, hindi gagana lahat ng mga indoor units sa rooms na nakakabit dyan. And the manner that manufacturers rollout these multisplit system is quite terrible. When specific model becomes obsolete, you have to replace the entire system should one component fails to get it working again.
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Recently ordered a 2HP AUX J-Series Inverter Split. Fingers crossed, sana wala maging problema. Will update this thread once ma install na.
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@leejeans i recommend carrier brand. i have two units ung isa >6 years and isa ay ~3 years
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@Godai_Yusaku
Boss nakabili na pala ako ng AC yung LG LA100EC ang napili ko kasi hindi pala kasya sa room ko ang LA100EL. I bought the unit at Ansons ATC branch worth 29k. My room is 12sqm. -
Ask ko lang if okay or possible ang setup na 2 split type inverter sa isang compressor lang connected?
That's exactly what multi-split systems are for. Price-wise, mas mahal pa ang isang 2:1 multi-split kaysa sa 2 split units. And agree ako sa sinabi ni Musicgeek na once masira yung condenser unit eh 2 agad ang down na aircon sa halip na isa lang. With pcb woes hounding every aircon buyer, mas malala pa yan kapag naka-multi ka.
@boomshine
Glad na nakabili ka na. Medyo pahirapan na nga makabili lately no thanks to the mECQ. -
Hi salamat sa mga nag bigay ng insights finally i decided to get la100el vs la100ec parehas lang pala mag babakbak kasi bitin ung abang namin so dun nako sa mas malaki onte nalang din yung agwat ng price buti dami stock sa abensons
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ang aga pero ang alinsangan na dito sa QC. Binuhay ko uli AC this 8.30am.
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Maraming salamat sa thread na to. Nakabili kami ng daikin aircon from Ray & J's and ok ang sales and service nila. Highly recommended.
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Good morning! Yesterday nagpasurvey kami regarding kung ilang hp dapat needed para sa kwarto namin and they mentioned na dapat 1.5hp.
So nagcompute ako kung ilang BTU using this site: https://www.calculator.net/btu-calculator.html
And ang nakuha ko is 8,624 BTU/hr. Hindi pa kasama dito yung mga other sources of heat such as laptop, tv, cellphone, chargers, etc.
Floor area: 13sqm
height: 5ft
number of people inside regularly: 5
Insulation condition: Poor
Sun exposure: Average
Climate: Hot
So my question is, kaya na ba ng 1hp yung nasa 9000BTU?
Ang sabi kasi sa Daikin, ang rated cooling capacity ng 1hp nila is 8500, wherein min 3,400 max 10,900 BTU /hr para sa model na FTKC25TVM.
And ano din kaya effect sa aircon/electricity kung yung BTU na pinapalamig niya is palaging around 10,000 BTU/hr?
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I think multisplit has only one compressor built in one outdoor unit (condenser), with multiple indoor unit attached to it.
Had our kolin multisplit serviced and it has 2 compressors since dalawa yung indoor but one outdoor unit and shared conderser. Nagkaproblema yung multisplit namin, di lumalamig yung master bedroom pero yung sa 2nd room ok naman. May pinalitan lang pcb but they have to modify something since phase out and di na under warranty yung unit namin, cost me total of 7k to have it fixed. (Authorized service center yung gumawa). Pero kung masira yung conderser fan, down lahat ng ac
I asked the technician kung ok ba ang multisplit and he told me na depende, kung sa situation ko daw mas ok na single split unit ako per room since wala naman daw problema sa space. Kadalasan daw kasi ng naka multsplit yung limited yung space. Though i might go for multisplit na set up pa rin since gusto ko konti lang yung nakikitang outdoor unit.
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^I see. Kakaiba pala yan Kolin multi split type mo. Traditionally kasi a multi split only has one compressor that's packaged within a single outdoor unit. I googled it to double check, mostly daw one compressor.
A multi-split AC has one outdoor compressor, connected to four to five indoor air outlets via refrigerant lines rather than a complex duct system. Apart from the refrigerant tubing, the indoor air outlets are connected to the outdoor unit with condensate drain lines and power cables.
<click here for link>
Anyway, I agree that primarily, multi split's utilized for space saving purposes. In fact, that's as close as we get to an easy to install (pseudo) centralized AC. I still think there's a lot of improvement for it to be a viable option for most of us though. -
guys baka me ma re recommend kayo seller split type inverter Laguna area
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@crazypinoy_61
Meron sa Unitop Sta Rosa kung mga Unitop ang hinahanap mo. Kung Gree, Midea, Daikin, pwede din kita refer kung saan ako nagiinquire ngayon. Calamba area naman yun - Post deleted #12301787
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@vikkowapo
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@Vikko,
they mentioned na dapat 1.5hp.
Floor area: 13sqm
height: 5ft
number of people inside regularly: 5
Insulation condition: Poor
Sun exposure: Average
Climate: Hot
Im using a 2hp Daikin split type inverter for my 17sqm moderately insulated room. On ordinary days, Im running at low(est) fan speed, 24-26°C. But during summer peak like the recent days, I had to tweak the settings mid to near full power. Most of us here don't mind "oversizing" AC units vs room size as the allowance goes a long way in combatting the uncomfortable heat surges. Specially inverter AC naman are not subjected to higher electricity bills the bigger they get unlike the conventional ACs. In fact they are more cost effective kapag hindi pwersado.
Just a thought, kapag oversized AC pwede naman hinaan. Otherwise you're stuck with a "sakto lang" na AC which becomes insufficient during peak summer that will leave you + 4 others sweaty. That "sakto lang" will also wear and tear faster than its "bigger sibling". Personally, I don't delve with the computations / specs and all to the point of overthinking what's indicatively appropriate.
Good luck!
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Godai_Yusaku Send Message View User Items on 25 May 20 @ 04:56 PM #
Kapag mas mababa kasi ang evaporator kaysa sa condenser unit, may tendency na doon mag-settle yung ibang oil once it separates from the refrigerant after shutdown. Unlike kapag mas mababa ang condenser, that oil can settle doon sa condenser unit. And that oil is a bit harder to suck back up than it is to push it out in such a situation. This is why mas hirap ng kaunti sa startup ang unit kapag mas mataas ang condenser sa evaporator.. But once it gets going naman and nag-mix na ulit yung dalawa inside the lines ay walang wala na.
Kung mapapagawan mo ng awning/bahay yung aircon mo mas maganda. The afternoon sun can be punishing to condenser units as they will struggle to cool those coils given na mainit din yung mismong hangin na nahihigop nya.
Thank you sa pag-linaw. Pero wala talagang way na ung condenser (outdoor unit) ay mas mababa sa evaporator (indoor unit). Nakakasira ba ng a/c unit pag stuck up ang oil sa evaporator (indoor unit) dahil mas mababa ang evaporator (indoor unit) kesa sa
condenser (outdoor unit)?
Regarding awning/ bahay ng condenser (outdoor unit), pagagawan ko pero di ko alam anong materials ang gagamitin para sa bubong ng condenser (outdoor unit). Any idea ano magagamit? -
hi. i need your advise guys. i'm planning to get a split type aircon for our living room/kitchen which is approx 30sqm? it's an open area with the ff. appliances:
- tv
- desktop pc
- ref
- microwave
- gas range w/ oven
my main concern is yung right hp to get, given yung space and appliances. also, concerned ako sa smoke when cooking kasi baka makasira sa aircon? we don't have a range hood installed. -
May tanong po ako. Gusto sana namin na magpalagay ng aircon sa sala/dining. Connected naman sila at wala naman harang. Bale ang sukat po ay 25sqm in total, 8ft yung floor to ceiling. Appliances are ref, 55" tv, mga ilaw lang. Kasi yung ibang appliances naman na naglalabas ng ng heat(stove, microwave, oven toaster etc) ay nasa dirty kitchen na hindi naman sakop nung area. Usually lima kami sa loob ng bahay
Sabi ng kakilala ko, ok na yung 2hp na inverter aircon. May ilang questions lang po ako:
1. Sapat na ba ang 2hp? O kailangan gawing 2.5?
2. Mas ok po ba na yung isang 2hp o dalawang 1hp tapos sabay na papaandar para at least hindi single point of failure?
3. Malaki ba ang tipid talaga ng "premium inverter" (yung loob at labas na unit ay inverters base sa pagkakaexplain sa akin) o walang kaibahan sa konsumo sa regular na inverter?
Salamat po.
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@mmb
Nakakasira ba ng a/c unit pag stuck up ang oil sa evaporator (indoor unit) dahil mas mababa ang evaporator (indoor unit) kesa sa condenser (outdoor unit)?
No
Regarding awning/ bahay ng condenser (outdoor unit), pagagawan ko pero di ko alam anong materials ang gagamitin para sa bubong ng condenser (outdoor unit). Any idea ano magagamit?
Ipa-install mo muna. Pagkatapos ay tumawag ka ng karpintero. Siya na ang bahala mag-suggest nyan basta i-specify mo kung ano ang requirements.
@jagg
hi. i need your advise guys. i'm planning to get a split type aircon for our living room/kitchen which is approx 30sqm? it's an open area with the ff. appliances:
- tv
- desktop pc
- ref
- microwave
- gas range w/ oven
Yung ref and gas range with oven ang pamatay eh.. Normally they'd tell you to get a 2.5hp unit for that space. But I think you're better off getting a 2TR (3HP) aircon to amply cool the space even while cooking.
my main concern is yung right hp to get, given yung space and appliances. also, concerned ako sa smoke when cooking kasi baka makasira sa aircon? we don't have a range hood installed.
Di naman masisira yung aircon with all that cooking smoke.. But expect to find oil stuck on the filter and grime build-up on the cooling fins and squirrel fan over time. Manggigitata sa langis yung unit as the oil will mix with the dust bunnies. You will also need to clean the unit more often if you want it to last a good long time. How often? Maybe every 3 months (quarterly) at the very least.
@justin
1. Sapat na ba ang 2hp? O kailangan gawing 2.5?
2.5hp po
2. Mas ok po ba na yung isang 2hp o dalawang 1hp tapos sabay na papaandar para at least hindi single point of failure?
Great idea! If you have the space and the budget, get 1 1.5hp for the sala and 1 1hp for the dining area.
3. Malaki ba ang tipid talaga ng "premium inverter" (yung loob at labas na unit ay inverters base sa pagkakaexplain sa akin) o walang kaibahan sa konsumo sa regular na inverter?
Just look at their EER and decide for yourself if malaki nga ba ang tipid.. The higher the EER, the lower your electricity costs over time. -
Hi mga sir,
First off gusto ko magthank you kasi dami ko natutunan with this post. Naging guide ko na actually yung page 420 na round up. Balak ko na din kumuha ng unit kila Ray & J kasi daming good feedback dito sa forum. Tanong ko lang sana ano mas okay sa dalawang unit, Daikin D-Smart FTKC25QVM or LG HSN09ISS? Parehong 1 hp viand sir. Tsaka 1500 talaga yung pag baklas ng existing unit kila Ray & J? Maraming salamat mga sir! -
@tipidpiti hindi na ,nakapaginvest na ko personally dun sa kausap ko. Ang lalaki ng mga binibigay nyang discounts so I would feel bad not making a transaction with her.
@musicgeek
Noted on your tip. I see your point. Mas risky na maging underpowered kesa sa makakuha ng “better” warranty pero may possibility na maging underpowered.
It would be great din sana if I can get @Godai’s two cents :)
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@Godai
Great idea! If you have the space and the budget, get 1 1.5hp for the sala and 1 1hp for the dining area.
Yun nga sir e. Iniisip ko rin kasi mas malaki yung magagastos. E di naman kalakihan itong sala at kusina.
Pero kapag ba 1hp at 1.5hp sir same power consumption lang sila ng isang 2.5? Sorry feeling ko ang basic ng tanong ko haha.
Just look at their EER and decide for yourself if malaki nga ba ang tipid.. The higher the EER, the lower your electricity costs over time.
Noted dito sir. Kailangan muna talaga magbasa basa bago bumili talaga.
@vikkowapo
@tipidpiti hindi na ,nakapaginvest na ko personally dun sa kausap ko. Ang lalaki ng mga binibigay nyang discounts so I would feel bad not making a transaction with her.
Baka naman pwedeng pabulong sir kung saan ka bibili haha
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@vikko
It would be great din sana if I can get @Godai’s two cents :)
Actually, I posted a comment but immediately deleted it. But basically ang laman ng comment ko was the same in essence sa sinabi ni Musicgeek.. While on paper your space screams that a 1HP can do the job, it would be better to err on the side of caution by getting the 1.5hp.. The end decision is still with you. We're just here to help you make a decision sooner. =)
@justin
Pero kapag ba 1hp at 1.5hp sir same power consumption lang sila ng isang 2.5?
Basically the same but with 2 separate units, mas maganda ang maging cooling depending on how you plan out their installation.
Sale pa naman yung Matrix aircons.. 43k lang may 2 aircon ka na.. Koppel nga lang.. Hehehe. Ang ganda dun sa separate, you can choose to go with yung 1.5hp lang kapag di ganun karami ang tao. And when you feel the heat, you can just turn on the 2nd unit to really bring on the cooling. Modular concept ika nga.
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